Since Tape so subtly asked for a new topic, here we go.
I wonder, does Ashford actually know what the total conversion beam does?
Well, he strongly hinted it. ;) Here you are, new thread.
I would have made one earlier if I had known what to say; it looks like a transition comic, opening the road for the next event.
Why are we using this date format anyway?
Edit: oh! Topic merge! I didn't think my post was worth keeping, but thanks anyway.
Guest artist, usual art quality. Nice work Gabi.
So now the puppy is being chased?
Quote from: Gabi on September 19, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
Well, he strongly hinted it. ;) Here you are, new thread.
Woo, two threads for the price of one!
QuoteI would have made one earlier if I had known what to say; it looks like a transition comic, opening the road for the next event.
I'll be honest, this chapter/episode thing had 5 pages originally. The first page was very dense and full, having no less than 7 panels containing a wall of text, so I split it in half to make six pages (so it won't look weird when printed out).
This page is panels 1-4.
QuoteWhy are we using this date format anyway?
No idea. I'd prefer ISO/Japanese format, but I guess people just use what they're used to.
Quote from: Pagan on September 19, 2009, 12:30:15 PM
I wonder, does Ashford actually know what the total conversion beam does?
He has a pretty solid guess, hence his "OMG, it's the end of the world" look.
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on September 19, 2009, 12:37:45 PM
Guest artist, usual art quality. Nice work Gabi.
The guest flashback intros on page 4 of this chapter, so we're looking at page 83 unless there is some kind of holdup.
QuoteSo now the puppy is being chased?
Puppy, nothing. Those dogs will eat you for breakfast if you let them.
Oh, let us by all means do what pleases Tapewolf. ;-]
Quote from: Gabi on September 19, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
Why are we using this date format anyway?
I suppose that means the month/day/year format? I'm American, it's what we use. Should I have used one of the other formats?
Quote from: Pagan on September 19, 2009, 12:52:29 PM
I suppose that means the month/day/year format? I'm American, it's what we use. Should I have used one of the other formats?
Not really. I'm not sure what Gabi uses. Personally I prefer YYYY/MM/DD because it's difficult to get confused about and sorts easily.
Anyway, since I liked their expressions and they didn't quite come out in the comic:
http://www.project-future.org/stuff/things/pf79_6a.png
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 19, 2009, 01:06:15 PM
Quote from: Pagan on September 19, 2009, 12:52:29 PM
I suppose that means the month/day/year format? I'm American, it's what we use. Should I have used one of the other formats?
Not really. I'm not sure what Gabi uses. Personally I prefer YYYY/MM/DD because it's difficult to get confused about and sorts easily.
Anyway, since I liked their expressions and they didn't quite come out in the comic:
http://www.project-future.org/stuff/things/pf79_6a.png
Looks like the synthetic wants to introduce his boot to her face.
So he knows the TCB is a catalyst to producing false souls?
Ah, I'll use that format from now on. I like Keaton's expression there.
Tape I just thought of something. The Synthetic bodies, do they weigh the same or similar to bodies of non synthetics or are they heavier?
This is a legitimate question because the average individual is made from light yet strong materials and some Sci-Fi synthetics use metals and such which causes the synthetic bodies to be heavier than their organic counterparts.
Oh and Keaton looks like she's going to say something that will send her boss into a mental tailspin.
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 19, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
Tape I just thought of something. The Synthetic bodies, do they weigh the same or similar to bodies of non synthetics or are they heavier?
Depends on the amount of shielding. A lot of work went into ensuring the bodies were an acceptable weight. For the likes of Joshua or Dorcan, they weigh a bit more than they did previously but not significantly so, just a few extra kilos.
The idea is to enable them to resume their former lives, which isn't going to work out too well if they suddenly weigh a quarter of a ton.
There are other, more heavily-armoured models which are discussed later, they weigh more than a normal human or Being would do. The panthers are heavy, but then so is a real one.
Ah, I thought the forum had a standard date format for the topics. I use day/month/year, but I don't mind using year/month/day. I do find month/day/year confusing, though. And I'm American too, only from Argentina, not the US.
Interesting information, thanks, JP. :)
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on September 19, 2009, 12:37:45 PM
Nice work Gabi.
Eh? Thanks, but what did I do?
Quote from: Gabi on September 19, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Ah, I thought the forum had a standard date format for the topics. I use day/month/year, but I don't mind using year/month/day. I do find month/day/year confusing, though. And I'm American too, only from Argentina, not the US.
No, the forum doesn't have a standard. It just has an overwhelming majority of United State-ians, who can't follow any reasonable date format. ;-]
*ducks*
wait... what? HEY!
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on September 19, 2009, 06:46:54 PM
wait... what? HEY!
What in particular are you referring to? Llearch's comment or the thing about the Dobermans in Deus Ex?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 19, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
No, the forum doesn't have a standard. It just has an overwhelming majority of United State-ians, who can't follow any reasonable date format. ;-]
*ducks*
I'll certainly admit, the MM/DD/YY format makes very little sense. But that's what my job and my tax collectors want me to use, so I'll use it.
Quote from: Pagan on September 19, 2009, 06:58:15 PM
I'll certainly admit, the MM/DD/YY format makes very little sense. But that's what my job and my tax collectors want me to use, so I'll use it.
The weirdest date format I know of was one that DRDOS supports with the year in the middle. I do not know of any organisations that use it. DRI did at one time stand for 'Digital Research Intergalactic', however.
Anyway...
Though this may have been asked in an earlier thread, I'm wondering. How many days has Joshy been away from the base? Was there some agreement that Yak would help if a certain amount of time passed without contact?
... And in doing some research, I just noticed that the Walk in the Woods boy has a cast page. Why is it that Simeon looks many times gayer than Daryil?
Quote from: Pagan on September 19, 2009, 07:18:41 PM
Though this may have been asked in an earlier thread, I'm wondering. How many days has Joshy been away from the base? Was there some agreement that Yak would help if a certain amount of time passed without contact?
I don't know what the flight time was, but Josh has been at Starfire for about 12 hours now, I think. Not yet time enough for Jakob to worry.
Quote... And in doing some research, I just noticed that the Walk in the Woods boy has a cast page. Why is it that Simeon looks many times gayer than Daryil?
Ask Ren, he drew it >:3
(And I'm sure Ren will say "Ask Tape, he requested it")
Quote from: Pagan on September 19, 2009, 07:18:41 PM
... And in doing some research, I just noticed that the Walk in the Woods boy has a cast page. Why is it that Simeon looks many times gayer than Daryil?
...
To someone who knows Simeon's future in the stories Tapewolf has written, this comment is profoundly hilarious and appropriate. xD
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 19, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Ask Ren, he drew it >:3
(And I'm sure Ren will say "Ask Tape, he requested it")
I'll be sure to do that when he returns.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 19, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
To someone who knows Simeon's future in the stories Tapewolf has written, this comment is profoundly hilarious and appropriate. xD
I am suddenly quite afraid.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 19, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
To someone who knows Simeon's future in the stories Tapewolf has written, this comment is profoundly hilarious and appropriate. xD
And that's all we'll say for now, I think...
Tapewolf has been giving out a lot of hints today... :)
Quote from: proeliator bradypodidae on September 19, 2009, 08:55:53 PM
Tapewolf has been giving out a lot of hints today... :)
Some of them will be covered very soon anyway - some of them I'm hoping will have been forgotten by the time they become relevant >:3
The people who would forget details given by a creator on a forum tend not to read forums. The reverse of this is not necessarily true though. So maybe, Tape. Maybe.
I'm sorry... what were we talking about?
Fish. The fish of the day is Trout a la crème; enjoy your meal.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 20, 2009, 05:44:46 AM
Fish. The fish of the day is Trout a la crème; enjoy your meal.
Fish.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 19, 2009, 08:15:31 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 19, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
To someone who knows Simeon's future in the stories Tapewolf has written, this comment is profoundly hilarious and appropriate. xD
And that's all we'll say for now, I think...
I am going to take a wild guess as I have not read the stories (and have yet to find them) by saying in my opinion it is a strong hint that Lord Ikaarion Daryil and Simeon Kaye will be if not are lovers?
I mean I can see it with Simeon's cloths and colorful wings and Daryil's... Daryil-ness.
You can guess all you want, but I don't think anyone's going to give you an answer, whether your guess is right, close or far off. The answers can be found in Future History if you really want to know, but not on this section of the forum.
I think you're way off base, there, madmann. I mean... everyone knows Daryil gets straightened out by the love of the perfect woman. Any other result is just... it just wouldn't fit with the Daryil we know and love, you know?
As a somewhat more serious critique:
One of the big downsides to turning a story into a comic...especially one that is more serious...is that the pacing will often suffer from it. Frankly speaking, from a pacing perspective, Project Future really suffers in that its a week of waiting just to get to the next round about set of dialogue that doesn't really push anything forward. So an exchange of dialogue between two characters that takes about four pages to get to any resolution in actuality takes a month.
It's been incredibly so in the most recent chapters with Ashford. In some ways...its brutally boring to spend page after page of Ashford going on and on with no real result in sight. And really, it probably doesn't help that since this is the first real appearance of Ashford and Keaton outside of a flashback...the fact that their main introduction is so dismal and monotonous makes me as a reader want this section of the story to finish up so it can get back to what feels like it should be the main plot and the important thing. I don't really care about Ashford or Keaton and I find myself wondering why Joshua is even there in the first place...because I cannot recall anything in the story giving reason for him needing to return.
It feels like these chapters are supposed to be informative...but the result to me is that they are just dragging along. The characters Ashford and Keaton feel like little more than a means to introduce some antagonist out of left field. And while I'm sure the actual written story itself better presents it...the transition to comic format feels off. This feels like one of those chapters that would have probably been better presented in a large batch of 3-4 comics than just one a week.
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 20, 2009, 06:18:36 PM
One of the big downsides to turning a story into a comic...especially one that is more serious...is that the pacing will often suffer from it. Frankly speaking, from a pacing perspective, Project Future really suffers in that its a week of waiting just to get to the next round about set of dialogue that doesn't really push anything forward. So an exchange of dialogue between two characters that takes about four pages to get to any resolution in actuality takes a month.
Yes. This is one of the slack parts, to be honest, and this page in particular feels rather empty. I wasn't all that happy with it in terms of writing - one of the big problems is that they're recapping what we already know, though drawing different conclusions from it.
IMHO it does start to pick up quite rapidly afterwards, though. It's also a transition point in the writing in that I start adding a bit more humour to the mix, though we haven't quite got to that point yet.
The flipside to this kind of pacing is that, as you said of Abel's Story, it's tempting to add a shock or hook every week which then makes the thing really weird to read when you go back through the archives.
Quote...the fact that their main introduction is so dismal and monotonous makes me as a reader want this section of the story to finish up so it can get back to what feels like it should be the main plot and the important thing. I don't really care about Ashford or Keaton and I find myself wondering why Joshua is even there in the first place...because I cannot recall anything in the story giving reason for him needing to return.
That would be the whole 'disciplined soldier' thing. He's not going to want to spend his whole life stuck in the Arctic, but if he doesn't, word is eventually going to get back that he's alive in which case he'd technically be a deserter which is Not Good.
FWIW, starting from chapter nine, the story tends to flick back and forth between Joshua at Starfire and Dorcan at the Arctic complex. Chapter 10 is a 50/50 split.
And I was off all weekend, so I didn't get a chance to chime in and annoy you all.
So to rectify that.....
Something's odd about Ashford. When he's coming back in the morning to the office, (or whatever) he's still getting dressed, and at the end of the strip, he doesn't have a jacket on like he did during the previous day. Does he live at the Starfire intelligence base? Combine it with the last page, and the first thing that sprung to mind was that the "Liz" that he was talking to was some secretary or something he was having an affair with.
Also, in a minor critique of the art, it's a little jarring to see Ashford in the fourth panel apperantly buttoning his shirt, when his shirt doesn't seem to have any buttons....
Although him almost perfectly mirroring Joshua's reaction to the news of a total conversion beam is kind of funny. Do they teach paranoia courses or something?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on September 20, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Although him almost perfectly mirroring Joshua's reaction to the news of a total conversion beam is kind of funny. Do they teach paranoia courses or something?
They might, but they can't tell you about it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 19, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 19, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
Tape I just thought of something. The Synthetic bodies, do they weigh the same or similar to bodies of non synthetics or are they heavier?
Depends on the amount of shielding. A lot of work went into ensuring the bodies were an acceptable weight. For the likes of Joshua or Dorcan, they weigh a bit more than they did previously but not significantly so, just a few extra kilos.
The idea is to enable them to resume their former lives, which isn't going to work out too well if they suddenly weigh a quarter of a ton.
That is an interesting fact, which makes me think their design is closer to Ghost in the Shell prosthetic bodies than Terminator combat bodies.
Since they are so light, are they able to swim with those bodies as well?
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 19, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
There are other, more heavily-armoured models which are discussed later, they weigh more than a normal human or Being would do. The panthers are heavy, but then so is a real one.
Really, so there are already synthetic bodies with hyper-alloy combat chassis skeletons like the Terminator 800 series?
Or do you mean something more exoskeleton-like when you mean heavily armored bodies?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 20, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
I think you're way off base, there, madmann. I mean... everyone knows Daryil gets straightened out by the love of the perfect woman. Any other result is just... it just wouldn't fit with the Daryil we know and love, you know?
I figured I was not even in the ball park but the thought was given.
It's nice you guys got updated but... :shifty
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/HuskieBoi666/Files%20of%20random/KayneWested.png)
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on September 20, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Something's odd about Ashford. When he's coming back in the morning to the office, (or whatever) he's still getting dressed, and at the end of the strip, he doesn't have a jacket on like he did during the previous day. Does he live at the Starfire intelligence base?
Yes. It's a quasi-military organisation, they provide accommodation.
QuoteAlso, in a minor critique of the art, it's a little jarring to see Ashford in the fourth panel apperantly buttoning his shirt, when his shirt doesn't seem to have any buttons....
That might need fixing.
Quote from: ChaosMageX on September 20, 2009, 10:45:24 PM
That is an interesting fact, which makes me think their design is closer to Ghost in the Shell prosthetic bodies than Terminator combat bodies.
Since they are so light, are they able to swim with those bodies as well?
Joshua couldn't at first because he still needed to breathe then, and he was in fact unable to hold his breath which would have caused him to drown quite quickly. Now, assuming that all his access ports are correctly sealed, he would be able to swim indefinitely (we see something a bit like this in a few chapters).
QuoteReally, so there are already synthetic bodies with hyper-alloy combat chassis skeletons like the Terminator 800 series?
Or do you mean something more exoskeleton-like when you mean heavily armored bodies?
I think they're still in the late planning stages at this part of the story. It will be a year or so before they turn up.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 20, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
I think you're way off base, there, madmann. I mean... everyone knows Daryil gets straightened out by the love of the perfect woman. Any other result is just... it just wouldn't fit with the Daryil we know and love, you know?
Yeah, in chapter 37 of the story, he gets married and settles down with his new wife, Mary Sue. :P
Hmm, LG have made Jakob and Ashford's watch:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/22/review_phone_lg_gd910_watchphone/page3.html
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 22, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
Hmm, LG have made Jakob and Ashford's watch:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/22/review_phone_lg_gd910_watchphone/page3.html
Eat your heart out, James Bond! :B
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on September 22, 2009, 08:27:25 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 22, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
Hmm, LG have made Jakob and Ashford's watch:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/22/review_phone_lg_gd910_watchphone/page3.html
Eat your heart out, James Bond! :B
"There is no discrete way to answer a shoe phone"
Random thought... does the fully synthetics like Joshua need to sleep?
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 22, 2009, 12:15:02 PM
Random thought... does the fully synthetics like Joshua need to sleep?
No, but they can if they choose to.
Just as a heads-up, we may be running late again this week. Family thing, so I'll be a bit preoccupied on Saturday and probably tidying the house Friday evening.
That means that we may have to update Saturday evening instead, depending on when I get the lineart. We should have Simeon's Story updating on schedule, though.
**EDIT**
(http://www.project-future.org/images/simeonpanel8-12.png) (http://www.project-future.org/simeon.php)
I suppose you'll be wantin' a fancy new thread for that one too... Give me a second ta read the thing.