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Title: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: AndersW on September 09, 2007, 10:05:21 PM
who is speaking in the last panel?  the speech bubble is pointing at Lorenda, but Jyrras has his mouth open.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Zedd on September 09, 2007, 10:08:07 PM
Its Jy...Relax..Sides I know its kinda random
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: nikename2 on September 09, 2007, 10:08:58 PM
Or Jy now has the ability to shoot his voice from the curse he recieved.  >:3
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: techmaster-glitch on September 09, 2007, 10:17:18 PM
Longest short wait indeed.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 10:19:33 PM
Methinks Jy's just "ARGH!"-ing.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Netrogo on September 09, 2007, 10:24:58 PM
Why is it every single panel can start one of those questions. Amber is damn good at facial expressions, and in comics it's common knowledge that a characters mouth doesn't have to be drawn open to show them talking.

Amber has the speach bubble pointing at Lorenda and Jyrass is clearly making a 'GAH!!!' face. So Lorenda is the one asking the question.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: pseudocompulsion on September 09, 2007, 10:30:12 PM
Excuse me if this has been noted before, but the Fae kingdom seriously reminds me of Wackyland, only less Dalíesque. I'm keeping my eyes open for a dodo or two.

And I am forever in awe of Amber's characters' expressions.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
What the heck is that thing in the last panel? o_O It looks like a fae, but the back of a fae.. yet that would mean the wings are on the front... o_O
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Rithm Alfortele on September 09, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
What the heck is that thing in the last panel? o_O It looks like a fae, but the back of a fae.. yet that would mean the wings are on the front... o_O

Nah, the wings to seem to be coming from the side that the reader is seeing.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: superluser on September 09, 2007, 10:55:54 PM
Is this the harrowing experience that drives the two characters who initially hate each other so that they fall wildly and passionately in love?

I see Jyrras hasn't gotten his glasses back yet.

So...white mist rather than black mist or killer fog?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Manawolf on September 09, 2007, 10:57:48 PM
It's snow.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 10:59:06 PM
Who's to say it's not sleet?  Or hail? ;)
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: Zachski on September 09, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
What the heck is that thing in the last panel? o_O It looks like a fae, but the back of a fae.. yet that would mean the wings are on the front... o_O

Nah, the wings to seem to be coming from the side that the reader is seeing.

Not really, since the wings seem to be going behind what I guess is the "neck".
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: pseudocompulsion on September 09, 2007, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: Zachski on September 09, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
What the heck is that thing in the last panel? o_O It looks like a fae, but the back of a fae.. yet that would mean the wings are on the front... o_O

Nah, the wings to seem to be coming from the side that the reader is seeing.

Not really, since the wings seem to be going behind what I guess is the "neck".

It looks like the wing on our left is coming out of a shoulder blade. The Fae's hair seems to be covering the base of the right one.

But, hey, that's just what I see. "Reality is the original Rorschach." I guess that applies to webcomics, too.  ;)
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 09, 2007, 11:05:05 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: Zachski on September 09, 2007, 10:38:48 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 10:35:11 PM
What the heck is that thing in the last panel? o_O It looks like a fae, but the back of a fae.. yet that would mean the wings are on the front... o_O

Nah, the wings to seem to be coming from the side that the reader is seeing.

Not really, since the wings seem to be going behind what I guess is the "neck".

It looks like the wing on our left is coming out of a shoulder blade. The Fae's hair seems to be covering the base of the right one.

But, hey, that's just what I see. "Reality is the original Rorschach." I guess that applies to webcomics, too.  ;)

Ok, I see what you're seeing now. Eh.. still looks odd to me.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Oh!  I see it now.  See, I thought the back was actually the neck.  That can be attributed to the outline of the wings.  Though the enormous hat doesn't help, either.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: techmaster-glitch on September 09, 2007, 11:09:41 PM
It does look wierd at first, but it's really her back...she just has long hair.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Oh!  I see it now.  See, I thought the back was actually the neck.  That can be attributed to the outline of the wings.  Though the enormous hat doesn't help, either.

Nothing wrong with an enormous festive hat.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Madmann135 on September 09, 2007, 11:18:10 PM
I actually saw it change from a sunny day to rain, then sleet then snow in the course of 10 minutes, I was in a car when it happened waiting for someone. 

Which begs the question... Is the fae realm in Chicago?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Fuyudenki on September 09, 2007, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 09, 2007, 11:18:10 PM
I actually saw it change from a sunny day to rain, then sleet then snow in the course of 10 minutes, I was in a car when it happened waiting for someone. 

Which begs the question... Is the fae realm in Chicago?

Happens all the time in Colorado.

The city with 300 sunny days a year also has 300 cloudy days a year.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: pseudocompulsion on September 09, 2007, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Oh!  I see it now.  See, I thought the back was actually the neck.  That can be attributed to the outline of the wings.  Though the enormous hat doesn't help, either.

Nothing wrong with an enormous festive hat.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/dragonfire6012/sillyhats.gif)

Quote from: Madmann135 on September 09, 2007, 11:18:10 PM
I actually saw it change from a sunny day to rain, then sleet then snow in the course of 10 minutes, I was in a car when it happened waiting for someone. 

Which begs the question... Is the fae realm in Chicago?

It's somewhere in the Midwest, at least.  Here in Michigan I've seen it rain on a sunny day. Seriously. Not makin' it up.

EDIT: As an aside, according to a Linguistics professor of mine who has taken a casual personal interest in the subject (at least enough to note it wherever and whenever she hears it), everyone makes that "*insert town/state/country* — if you don't like the weather, wait five minutes" joke about their place of origin. And I'd thought it was just a Michigan thing...
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Pagan on September 09, 2007, 11:24:14 PM
That's some crazy weather. In a crazy world. With crazy people. So... to answer your question Lorenda, "Yeah, pretty much."
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 09, 2007, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 09, 2007, 11:18:10 PM
I actually saw it change from a sunny day to rain, then sleet then snow in the course of 10 minutes, I was in a car when it happened waiting for someone. 

Which begs the question... Is the fae realm in Chicago?
That's not uncommon when a front moves over.  The warm air is in front of the front, and the cold air is behind the front.  The sleet forms because the particles move back and forth between the cold air and the warm air.  Just be glad you were in a car.  I was once caught in some fairly heavy hail, but fortunately I knew where there was a nearby building with a protective overhang.  I've heard of the hail being heavy enough to damage cars.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Caswin on September 09, 2007, 11:32:37 PM
Quote from: AndersW on September 09, 2007, 10:05:21 PM
who is speaking in the last panel?  the speech bubble is pointing at Lorenda, but Jyrras has his mouth open.
Quote from: Netrogo on September 09, 2007, 10:24:58 PMAmber has the speach bubble pointing at Lorenda and Jyrass is clearly making a 'GAH!!!' face. So Lorenda is the one asking the question.
Ladies and gentlemen, please - I can't believe I'm saying this - you're thinking too logically here.

This is the Fae realm.

This is madness.

This is reminiscent of a scene from near the beginning of Brave New World where the narrative inexplicably switches speakers in the middle of a dialog just to emphasize the world's insanity.

And this is most definitely not Sparta.  Unless maybe Jyrras thinks it is.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:33:50 PM
Quote from: Caswin on September 09, 2007, 11:32:37 PM
This is madness.

...

And this is most definitely not Sparta.

You're no fun. :<
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Alondro on September 09, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
*Charles hmms and nerdiates*  Say, that's kinda like the Genesis planet from Star Trek III, tropical right next to snowing.  And they used protomatter in the Genesis matrix... protomatter, an unstable substance no sane scientist would have used... a substance with very unpredictable and explosive results (in one version of Star Trek VI, the explosion on Praxis was due to the Klingons trying to replicate the Genesis device!).

*sudden enlightenment!*  Protomatter IS MAGIC!!!   :U
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 09, 2007, 11:58:14 PM
When I was being logical, I was discussing weather on Earth.  It is quite obvious that any explanation of weather on earth can't possibly apply to the Fae realm.  All meterological models are based on consistent and uniform gravity.  Uniformity of gravity doesn't appear to mean anything in the Fae realm. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_799.php)

The only logical conclusion about the Fae realm is that nothing is logical.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 10, 2007, 12:06:02 AM
heh. random snow... awesome.
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Oh!  I see it now.  See, I thought the back was actually the neck.  That can be attributed to the outline of the wings.  Though the enormous hat doesn't help, either.

Nothing wrong with an enormous festive hat.
Well you're just biased. :P
That's why you need me to help enforce it. ;P
RJ can't help you either...

Quote from: Alondro on September 09, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
*sudden enlightenment!*  Protomatter IS MAGIC!!!   :U
You're just now figuring this out?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Kenji on September 10, 2007, 12:19:12 AM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 10, 2007, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Oh!  I see it now.  See, I thought the back was actually the neck.  That can be attributed to the outline of the wings.  Though the enormous hat doesn't help, either.
Nothing wrong with an enormous festive hat.
Well you're just biased. :P
That's why you need me to help enforce it. ;P
RJ can't help you either...

But.. but...  :cry
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Regal on September 10, 2007, 12:19:52 AM
Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way!

And Jy, the answer is yes.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Castle Pokemetroid on September 10, 2007, 12:44:42 AM
They seem like chibi versions of themselves in the two last panels.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 10, 2007, 12:45:07 AM
Quote from: Regal on September 10, 2007, 12:19:52 AM
Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way!

And Jy, the answer is yes.

Doesn't hurt to read the rest of the thread.  Or even specific posts (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.msg143737#msg143737).
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Aleolus on September 10, 2007, 02:44:45 AM
I know how he feels.  When you're having a bad day, any waiting is too much!
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: LionHeart on September 10, 2007, 04:25:25 AM
Personally I would say the Fae realm is not so much insane as simply chaotic.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Fex on September 10, 2007, 04:38:50 AM
it seems that Jy's ears have been growing again
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Zedd on September 10, 2007, 05:30:12 AM
Some would say thats beach weather...
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Timothy on September 10, 2007, 08:18:51 AM
I'm totally lost as to what to make of todays "pretty chitty bang bang" title though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI) ?  :erk
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Angel on September 10, 2007, 09:55:17 AM
Yes, Jyrras. Shouldn't he have learned this by now? I mean, he's known Mab for about as long as he's known Dan, right?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: rabid_fox on September 10, 2007, 11:59:40 AM

Minor drug offenders should be sent to the fae kingdom.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Fuyudenki on September 10, 2007, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on September 10, 2007, 11:59:40 AM

Minor drug offenders should be sent to the fae kingdom.

Is that a punishment, or a reward!?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: DarkAudit on September 10, 2007, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: Raist on September 10, 2007, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on September 10, 2007, 11:59:40 AM

Minor drug offenders should be sent to the fae kingdom.

Is that a punishment, or a reward!?

Yes.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: terrycloth on September 10, 2007, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: Naldru on September 09, 2007, 11:58:14 PM
The only logical conclusion about the Fae realm is that nothing is logical.

It's a black-hole tube of transreality. Experiential parameters are observer-defined.

Fae do that to themselves *all the time* but in the fae realm even beings can.

( Also, Seattle: If you don't like the weather, MOVE. It's always like this.  :mowtongue )

( Cleveland was the same way. )

( Maybe it's just me  :mowdizzy)
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Aridas on September 10, 2007, 02:57:29 PM
Why does everyone think lorenda said it just because the thing is almost pointing her way? Not only has lorenda not actually cared all that much about it, but the number of punctuation marks fit Jyrras, not Lorenda. Lorenda's mouth isn't even open.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Zedd on September 10, 2007, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: Timothy on September 10, 2007, 08:18:51 AM
I'm totally lost as to what to make of todays "pretty chitty bang bang" title though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI) ?  :erk
NUUUUU!!!!
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 10, 2007, 07:07:47 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 10, 2007, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: Timothy on September 10, 2007, 08:18:51 AM
I'm totally lost as to what to make of todays "pretty chitty bang bang" title though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI) ?  :erk
NUUUUU!!!!

Well, there are a few things about Chitty Chitty Bang Band that might relate to DMFA.

Dick Van Dyke plays a character named Caractacus Potts ("crackpot", in case you don't get it), who is an inventor who builds all sorts of strange inventions.

In the course of the movie, they are carried off to a very bizarre land with very bizarre characters.  (Benny Hill plays a toymaker, who only makes toys for the Baron since the Baron has banished all children from his land.) Actually, I think the Baron's Duchy might be even stranger than the Fae kingdom.

They spend most of the film trying to get back to their home in England.

Caractacus is dating a girl whose father is extremely intimidating.  (Lorenda's mother is extremely intimidating.)

And finally, last but not least, who says it has to make sense.

By the way, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by Ian Fleming, and the movie rights were sold along with the rights to the James Bond books.  So you had Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, a children's film, from the same producers as the James Bond films.  (Of course, the title does contain "Bang Bang".)

Edit:  And the screenplay for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by the author of the book for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.


Description of file from IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062803/)
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Netrogo on September 10, 2007, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 10, 2007, 02:57:29 PM
Why does everyone think lorenda said it just because the thing is almost pointing her way? Not only has lorenda not actually cared all that much about it, but the number of punctuation marks fit Jyrras, not Lorenda. Lorenda's mouth isn't even open.

Almost? It's pointed directly at her. We can see quite clearly in the last panel before that one that Amber is spot on with her positioning of the little direction pointy thing of speech bubbles so the fact that that one is 'almost' completely pointing at Lorenda means it's her saying it.

Either that or you're out right saying that Amber fucked up.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 10, 2007, 07:40:44 PM
Quote from: Netrogo on September 10, 2007, 07:13:46 PM
Either that or you're out right saying that Amber fucked up.
It's happened before. ;)  Of course, I wouldn't calling fucking up; more like making a small error.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: bill on September 10, 2007, 08:42:33 PM
No, and you are all banned for discussing this.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Psaakyrn on September 10, 2007, 08:56:19 PM
a) Frame 3 is a copy-paste and shopped version of frame 2 (insert comment about having seen a few shops in my time here)
b) Given that, Lorenda is distinctively frowning in frame 3 when compared to frame 2, as opposed to normal drawing non-exact traces.
c) It would seem odd for Lorenda to frown and yet not say/do anything else.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 10, 2007, 09:41:36 PM
My personal feeling:

The balloon tail points to Lorenda and Lorenda is talking.  Jyrras would not ask if everything about the Fae kingdom is insane.  He already knows it is.  He has been around Mab longer than Lorenda has.

*****  *****

I am also reminded of the famous words of Bill Nye (not the science guy but a contemporary of Samuel Clemens):

Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.

*****  *****

I believe the consensus of many, including the moderators, is as follows:

Rule number one:  Amber is always right

Rule number two:  If it appears that Amber is wrong, rule number one takes effect
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Amber Williams on September 10, 2007, 11:45:50 PM
It is an error. I was tired at the time and when adding the lines, I overshot to the right.

Normally I'd fix it, but since it seems 80% of the conversation is talking about it and none of them were PM'd to ask, I might as well keep it that way since I don't want to make this whole thread irrelevant.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Kenji on September 10, 2007, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 10, 2007, 11:45:50 PM
It is an error. I was tired at the time and when adding the lines, I overshot to the right.

Normally I'd fix it, but since it seems 80% of the conversation is talking about it and none of them were PM'd to ask, I might as well keep it that way since I don't want to make this whole thread irrelevant.

Don't get mad, get even. Start changing people's posts. Copy and paste one person's post to another's and repeat. Really mess things up. :3
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Regal on September 11, 2007, 12:11:33 AM
Quote from: xTaMxZaHx on September 10, 2007, 12:45:07 AM
Quote from: Regal on September 10, 2007, 12:19:52 AM
Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way!

And Jy, the answer is yes.

Doesn't hurt to read the rest of the thread.  Or even specific posts (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3339.msg143737#msg143737).

:mowtongue

Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 11, 2007, 12:59:24 AM
Yup, my mistake.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Netrogo on September 11, 2007, 01:31:20 AM
Well looks like I'll be dining on filet of sole tonight :<
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Zedd on September 11, 2007, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Netrogo on September 11, 2007, 01:31:20 AM
Well looks like I'll be dining on filet of sole tonight :<
Make sure you eat the entire plate!  ;)
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 11, 2007, 01:55:11 AM
Quote from: Kenji on September 10, 2007, 12:19:12 AM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 10, 2007, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: Kenji on September 09, 2007, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 09, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
Oh!  I see it now.  See, I thought the back was actually the neck.  That can be attributed to the outline of the wings.  Though the enormous hat doesn't help, either.
Nothing wrong with an enormous festive hat.
Well you're just biased. :P
That's why you need me to help enforce it. ;P
RJ can't help you either...

But.. but...  :cry
There-there FKK-er Kenji I said I would "enforce" hat's awesomeness for you.  ;)

Quote from: Amber Williams on September 10, 2007, 11:45:50 PM
It is an error. I was tired at the time and when adding the lines, I overshot to the right.
I figured it was something like that.

Quote from: Amber Williams on September 10, 2007, 11:45:50 PM
Normally I'd fix it, but since it seems 80% of the conversation is talking about it and none of them were PM'd to ask, I might as well keep it that way since I don't want to make this whole thread irrelevant.

You're a kind soul Miss Amber.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 03:54:23 AM
Quote from: Kenji on September 10, 2007, 11:49:42 PM
Don't get mad, get even. Start changing people's posts. Copy and paste one person's post to another's and repeat. Really mess things up. :3

Ssshhh! We don't talk about that, ok? If we do, someone might realise what we're up to...

Uh...


Nothing to see here, move along.

;-]
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Arcalane on September 11, 2007, 04:32:04 AM
Quote from: Naldru on September 09, 2007, 11:58:14 PMThe only logical conclusion about the Fae realm is that nothing is logical.

There is only one place logic belongs, and that is alongside reason; on the curb. :B
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 11, 2007, 05:50:35 AM
Oh well.  It was an interesting thread, and I admit I was wrong.  (But Amber is still right in her decision.)

I am reminded of a story (very short) about a novel by James Joyce.  There was a line in the book that the main character carried his beard home in a bag.  People debated the issue and scholarly articles were written on why he carried his beard home in a bag.  Someone then had the bright idea to go to the university where his original handwritten manuscripts were stored.  In the original manuscript, it said that he had carried his bread home in a bag.  Of course, this then resulted in scholarly articles on how typographical errors can lead to scholarly articles.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: DarkAudit on September 11, 2007, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Naldru on September 10, 2007, 07:07:47 PM

Edit:  And the screenplay for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by the author of the book for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.


And he also wrote the screenplay for You Only Live Twice.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Arcalane on September 11, 2007, 04:32:04 AM
There is only one place logic belongs, and that is alongside reason; on the curb. :B

... is that the reason that people will listen to?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Zedd on September 11, 2007, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Arcalane on September 11, 2007, 04:32:04 AM
There is only one place logic belongs, and that is alongside reason; on the curb. :B

... is that the reason that people will listen to?
That or give them the ol fashion curbstomping
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 02:06:15 PM
... and the reference goes -right- over Zedd's head....
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 11, 2007, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: DarkAudit on September 11, 2007, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Naldru on September 10, 2007, 07:07:47 PM

Edit:  And the screenplay for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by the author of the book for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.


And he also wrote the screenplay for You Only Live Twice.

Incredible.  I verified that myself.  I would never have expected him to write a James Bond movie.  I guess Broccoli and Salzman were happy with his work.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: pseudocompulsion on September 11, 2007, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Arcalane on September 11, 2007, 04:32:04 AM
There is only one place logic belongs, and that is alongside reason; on the curb. :B

... is that the reason that people will listen to?

If that's a Snow Crash reference, you're officially my hero.

After all, eventually everybody listens to Reason.

Quote from: DarkAudit on September 11, 2007, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: Naldru on September 10, 2007, 07:07:47 PM

Edit:  And the screenplay for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by the author of the book for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.


And he also wrote the screenplay for You Only Live Twice.


That's wild. Roald Dahl: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, James and the Giant Peach, Matilda, The Witches, The BFG, and You Only Live Twice??
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 11, 2007, 10:47:41 PM
If that's a Snow Crash reference, you're officially my hero.

After all, eventually everybody listens to Reason.

It would be, but I haven't got around to reading it yet. ;-]
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: superluser on September 11, 2007, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 11, 2007, 10:47:41 PMThat's wild. Roald Dahl: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, James and the Giant Peach, Matilda, The Witches, The BFG, and You Only Live Twice??

It gets weirder.

He also wrote a short story about wife swapping and another about a guy who bets that he can light his lighter ten times in a row or he'll have a finger cut off.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: pseudocompulsion on September 11, 2007, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 11, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 11, 2007, 10:47:41 PM
If that's a Snow Crash reference, you're officially my hero.

After all, eventually everybody listens to Reason.

It would be, but I haven't got around to reading it yet. ;-]


Well then, sir, you must get on it!

Quote from: superluser on September 11, 2007, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 11, 2007, 10:47:41 PMThat's wild. Roald Dahl: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, James and the Giant Peach, Matilda, The Witches, The BFG, and You Only Live Twice??

It gets weirder.

He also wrote a short story about wife swapping and another about a guy who bets that he can light his lighter ten times in a row or he'll have a finger cut off.

Damn. I almost wouldn't have thought it possible if I weren't somewhat familiar with Dr. Seuss' "adult" art... Somehow, I think I just gained a lot of respect for Mr. Dahl.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 11, 2007, 11:59:36 PM
Roald Dahl wrote many novels for children, but mostly only short stories for adults.
One such story I read in Grade Nine of an old woman who only let attractive young men rent her bed and breakfast room.
Essentially this old coot would poison these young men and then stuff and preserve them to keep in her attick for ever.

Suffice it to say, Roald Dahl's genre for the adult masses ran a slightly darker path.
However, consider things like the BFG and you'll see certain shades of dark there too. It just happens that in the end the heros win.
In the adult world, there are no heros.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Tapewolf on September 12, 2007, 03:53:30 AM
Quote from: superluser on September 11, 2007, 10:52:43 PM
He also wrote a short story about wife swapping and another about a guy who bets that he can light his lighter ten times in a row or he'll have a finger cut off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Unexpected_%28TV_series%29

Oh yes, there's a lot more to Dahl than Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Timothy on September 13, 2007, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: Naldru on September 10, 2007, 07:07:47 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 10, 2007, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: Timothy on September 10, 2007, 08:18:51 AM
I'm totally lost as to what to make of todays "pretty chitty bang bang" title though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K3wQMWqZKI) ?  :erk
NUUUUU!!!!

Well, there are a few things about Chitty Chitty Bang Band that might relate to DMFA.

Dick Van Dyke plays a character named Caractacus Potts ("crackpot", in case you don't get it), who is an inventor who builds all sorts of strange inventions.

In the course of the movie, they are carried off to a very bizarre land with very bizarre characters.  (Benny Hill plays a toymaker, who only makes toys for the Baron since the Baron has banished all children from his land.) Actually, I think the Baron's Duchy might be even stranger than the Fae kingdom.

They spend most of the film trying to get back to their home in England.

Caractacus is dating a girl whose father is extremely intimidating.  (Lorenda's mother is extremely intimidating.)

And finally, last but not least, who says it has to make sense.

By the way, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by Ian Fleming, and the movie rights were sold along with the rights to the James Bond books.  So you had Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, a children's film, from the same producers as the James Bond films.  (Of course, the title does contain "Bang Bang".)

Edit:  And the screenplay for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was written by the author of the book for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Description of file from IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062803/)

Aha!
Screenplay of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was (at least in part I gather) written by Roald Dahl.
... and it's Roald Dahls birthday today!
Maybe it was an advance happy birthday Roald Dahl page title.  :)
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Caswin on September 13, 2007, 09:43:55 AM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 11, 2007, 11:59:36 PMIn the adult world, there are no heros.
What about the aforementioned Bond?
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 13, 2007, 03:31:02 PM
So I sign on to Google and I'm all like "oh look, a shiny picture" *scrolls over* "OMG! Roald Dahl's Birthday!?!?". So basically I'm like "awesome" and then the next thing I know I'm here. Posting about Roald Dahl's B-day. First I'm thinking amazing coincidence, but then I remembered why the subject came up in the first place and realized that Miss Amber was too cool for coincidence.

Quote from: Caswin on September 13, 2007, 09:43:55 AM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 11, 2007, 11:59:36 PMIn the adult world, there are no heros.
What about the aforementioned Bond?

Doesn't count.
We were talking about short stories besides >:3
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 13, 2007, 07:13:57 PM
It being his birthday explains the display of Roald Dahl books at the Philadelphia Barnes and Noble.  The connection could be clever planning on Amber's part or sheer coincidence.

The greatest coincidence would be if there were no coincidences.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Caswin on September 13, 2007, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 13, 2007, 03:31:02 PMDoesn't count.
We were talking about short stories besides >:3
There were Bond short stories, if I'm not mistaken...

So when you said "the adult world", you meant "the world of Dahl's adult material"?

The weird thing about Dahl is that he's the only author whose movie adaptations I've actually consistently liked better than the books themselves.  Weird.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Naldru on September 13, 2007, 09:50:44 PM
I assume that you are mainly referring to instances where he wrote both the book and screenplay.  Most authors don't go into both on an equal footing, so I find it difficult to find someone else to compare him to.  You really have to have different techniques for screenplays and novels.  Wasn't Raold Dahlone of these who used typographical tricks in the books.  (Words being written in circles or otherwise having the method of displaying the words as part of the story.)  That always bothered me a bit in books.  So I guess it just means that you liked his screenwriting style better than his novelization style.  Some things work better in one medium than another.

I have seen a number of cases where the book and screenplay were by different authors, and the movie was much better than the book.  In these cases, the book usually wasn't very popular or very good, which meant that few people had read the book.  I would put Chitty Chitty Bang Bang in this category.  (Even though it was by Ian Fleming, it wasn't one of his best sellers.)  Another movie that I remember and would put in this category is Viva Max.

Of course, in many cases, the plots for the book and the movie were so different that you couldn't even see the connection.  This would include I Can Remember It For You Wholesale (movie was named Total Recall) by Phillip Dick and the Beastmaster books by Andre Norton.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 14, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
Or "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep" / "Bladerunner", to pick another movie adaptation that bears little or no resemblance to the original story...
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on September 14, 2007, 12:55:41 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 14, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
Or "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep" / "Bladerunner", to pick another movie adaptation that bears little or no resemblance to the original story...

"We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" / Total Recall (Naldru beat me to this one but I like getting names right.)
"Second Variety" / Screamers

...they have some comparisons to their original texts mind you. I'm just a little "I got a collection of Dick's short stories the other day, wooo!"-ish.
Title: Re: 09/10/07 [#817] Nasty weather
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 14, 2007, 01:14:53 AM
Quote from: Caswin on September 13, 2007, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on September 13, 2007, 03:31:02 PMDoesn't count.
We were talking about short stories besides >:3
There were Bond short stories, if I'm not mistaken...

So when you said "the adult world", you meant "the world of Dahl's adult material"?

The weird thing about Dahl is that he's the only author whose movie adaptations I've actually consistently liked better than the books themselves.  Weird.

I meant it was supposed to be a dark and depressing statement!

My actual opinion on the matter has no bearing.