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-RobbieThe1st
Were-'Cubi alliance? That's rather interesting. The obvious thing is that they're both shapeshifters - so it's probably not the reason >:3
OK... now what happens if you got a Cubi that's stronger then the Were? What happens then?
Cubi is a dominant trait if its stronger then the other race.... but Were is a naturally dominant trait..
Which leads to another question. Is Cubi technically a race? Or just a trait that ends up overlapping over another race, making them TECHNICALLY of their non-cubi race, but counted as cubi because of their cubi traits?
Take it as you will folks..And fluffy was punched to the edge
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 04, 2008, 05:04:47 AM
Were-'Cubi alliance? That's rather interesting. The obvious thing is that they're both shapeshifters - so it's probably not the reason >:3
I figure it could be because a while back they were at war with each other, constantly fighting, yet neither side could actually *do* anything to the other side - If the 'Cubi attacked, the Weres switched to human form, and thereby negated all the 'Cubi advantages(Probably, stripped of their power, a 'Cubi would be weaker than a being because he/she is always relying on Magic, instead of actual muscle force). And,if the Weres attacked, the 'Cubi are strong enough to remove any wounded member and heal him/her.
I figure that after a few hundred years of this, they forgot *why* they were fighting and became allies instead.
-RobbieThe1st
Another case of "if you can't beat your enemy, team up with him"? :mowmeep
Actually nice background info for a lurker like me. ^^
The hybrid genetics in a fantasy world: meant to confuse you! :B Fluffy does not look happy about the fact that she has to explain all this stuff.
the list of half-breeds/no half-breeds table is different between comic 1 and two o.o
edit to save making a post: AAAHH, thanks tape (below). I thought it was like which races were ultimately cross-breedable or non-cross-breedable
Quote from: Hanii Puppy on April 04, 2008, 06:24:51 AM
the list of half-breeds/no half-breeds table is different between comic 1 and two o.o
I think you'll find it's different for each race. Last strip was the 'Cubi table, this one is the Were table.
Who almost killed the weres?
Quote from: Lucheek on April 04, 2008, 07:19:18 AM
Who almost killed the weres?
I don't think we know. What intrigues me is how Fluffy seems to be taking it so personally.
my best guess- the list includes demons, fey, angels, and about a hojillion diffrent types of mythos
the mythos would probably have little reason or ability, being scattered and weres would pretty much be more of the same to them, not really like they compete or anything
demons, maybe, but they're more likely to enslave weres for their unusual abilities and then get pissed they're enslavement magic isn't working
angels would probably skip the attempt to enslave and just get right to 'pissed they wont listen to me' with an extra dose of 'i cant allow something i cant control to exist!'
fey probably would have finished the job right, assuming they weren't distracted by anything shiny.
thus- the angels probably did it
I see now. These tables are "Race X that Fluffy's talking about can breed (in some fashion or another) with the races on the left, and not at all with the races on the right."
Quote from: Brunhidden on April 04, 2008, 07:59:12 AM
my best guess- the list includes demons, fey, angels, and about a hojillion diffrent types of mythos
the mythos would probably have little reason or ability, being scattered and weres would pretty much be more of the same to them, not really like they compete or anything
demons, maybe, but they're more likely to enslave weres for their unusual abilities and then get pissed they're enslavement magic isn't working
angels would probably skip the attempt to enslave and just get right to 'pissed they wont listen to me' with an extra dose of 'i cant allow something i cant control to exist!'
fey probably would have finished the job right, assuming they weren't distracted by anything shiny.
thus- the angels probably did it
I can see why you left out the Mer... unless they had a great mer vs were-shark war...
Undead would be just as likely as anything else.
Insectis would also be just like the Mythos and the Undead. Possable, but unlikely.
Dragons seemed to have had some to do with the cubi in the past, maybe the alliance formed then?
I can't see phoenix (A or B) or beings taking to the field. Seems to preoccupied with the future.
Not certain why you didn't go through the full list there.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 04, 2008, 07:21:29 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on April 04, 2008, 07:19:18 AM
Who almost killed the weres?
I don't think we know. What intrigues me is how Fluffy seems to be taking it so personally.
maybe fluffy's a were... :eek
I think the culprits were the C-gryphons! Cuz... they were mad at being given only average grades... just straight C's, ya know... if they'd gotten F's they could've at least been the class clowns or the jocks or something. But just C's. And they decided to pick on the weres, just because...
...
It seemed like a good theory at the time. :c
I think the reason weres get along well with cubi is because both races often disguise themselves to hide their race from the general public (well, amongst beings, at any rate). Not all weres and cubi do, but probably enough for it to be a good reason.
Fluffy looks like s/he is about to pop a vein or something, heh heh...
This is very fascinating stuff in any event.
-Seth
Dragons seem unpopular, I'll wager they did it. Like Kauri, I too am now wondering if the "were" genes actually overpower the "cubi" genes.
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on April 04, 2008, 05:20:42 AM
I figure it could be because a while back they were at war with each other, constantly fighting, yet neither side could actually *do* anything to the other...
Iono. The cubi we've seen in action recently seem to favor physical attacks which fall under the B/P/S damage classes from everyone's favorite tabletop RPG. I suspect a Fa'Lina fist, or an Aary/Aniz tentacle would make short work on even a magic-null human form, since we learned last thread that those abilities are inherent(shall we say, Ex?), not magical(Sp or Su).
The Fae, on the other hand, I think would get very annoyed by Weres. But I agree, if it were them who went genociding, they would probably have finished the job... at least, if their attention spans held up.
Glad to see the cartoonist is feling better.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on April 04, 2008, 06:10:34 AM
The hybrid genetics in a fantasy world: meant to confuse you! :B Fluffy does not look happy about the fact that she has to explain all this stuff.
Maybe Fluffy just hates the idea of hanky panky.
Quote from: Kenji on April 04, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on April 04, 2008, 06:10:34 AM
The hybrid genetics in a fantasy world: meant to confuse you! :B Fluffy does not look happy about the fact that she has to explain all this stuff.
Maybe Fluffy just hates the idea of hanky panky.
Considering her facial expression in the first page, I'd have to agree.
Quote from: Kuari on April 04, 2008, 05:17:36 AM
OK... now what happens if you got a Cubi that's stronger then the Were? What happens then?
Cubi is a dominant trait if its stronger then the other race.... but Were is a naturally dominant trait..
I'm guessing that, if the Cubi parent were the more powerful of the two, the child would take after the neutral form of the were parent but develop as a cubi. But, from the sound of it, most children with any were parents tend to be weres themselves. So, we're talking about a very rare combination of parents, as well as a rare result of said parents. So... there's probably extremely few cubi with a were mom/dad, if any.
Quote from: PurpleCheeseLlama on April 04, 2008, 11:40:18 AM
Considering his facial expression in the first page, I'd have to agree.
Fluffy's a guy.
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you! The were's are proof positive of that!
Quote from: jo-shadow on April 04, 2008, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 04, 2008, 07:21:29 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on April 04, 2008, 07:19:18 AM
Who almost killed the weres?
I don't think we know. What intrigues me is how Fluffy seems to be taking it so personally.
maybe fluffy's a were... :eek
could be, but the question is, a were-what?
A were-mab?
Quote from: Hanii Puppy on April 04, 2008, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: jo-shadow on April 04, 2008, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 04, 2008, 07:21:29 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on April 04, 2008, 07:19:18 AM
Who almost killed the weres?
I don't think we know. What intrigues me is how Fluffy seems to be taking it so personally.
maybe fluffy's a were... :eek
could be, but the question is, a were-what?
A were-Havanese, my guess. :3
Also, whoever up there said that they were sure Fluffy was a guy, the truth is we actually don't know. "He" and "she" have both been used to describe it. :rolleyes
Regardless I'm finding these hybrid pages quite fascinating so far. And I was a genetics student, so it quite boggles the mind with possibilities, especially when magic is a part of it.
Quote from: Goatmon on April 04, 2008, 12:31:21 PM
QuoteConsidering his facial expression in the first page, I'd have to agree.
Fluffy's a guy.
Not proven. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_825.php)
Quote from: Kuari on April 04, 2008, 05:17:36 AM
OK... now what happens if you got a Cubi that's stronger then the Were? What happens then?
Cubi is a dominant trait if its stronger then the other race.... but Were is a naturally dominant trait..
You guys are really thinking too complex on this. The Were is a dominant trait, not necessarily a powerful one. If a Were has a child with a being or a Phoenix B, then you will likely end up with a being or Phoenix B looking child who is a were(since most Were are already indistinguishable from a being or Phoenix B). If you have a Were having a child with a Cubi, then you will likely also have a Were that looks similar to their Were-parent that gets Cubi traits when they hit the right age. Having the abilities of one, doesnt really negate the other since the Cubi traits hit at a much later age...where as other races tend to have their traits from birth.
Though really...its not likely all that common a pairing. Even on friendly terms, the Were are kind of xenophobes.
OK, so final word? WereCubi, while not common, would be a BROKEN hybrid suitable only for Timmies and Mary Sues?
Nah. Nothing's ever final here. Not even when it makes it into the actual comic itself.(which is probably for the better.)
Quote from: Volfram on April 04, 2008, 11:57:44 PM
OK, so final word? WereCubi, while not common, would be a BROKEN hybrid suitable only for Timmies and Mary Sues?
Nah. Nothing's ever final here. Not even when it makes it into the actual comic itself.(which is probably for the better.)
It's not really all that broken. Neither species is insanely powerful. Yeah, they have particular quirks that really make them useful...but they also have particular flaws that are exploitable if you know them. People seem to think that the Were's ability to null magic at them when in human form and the Cubi's shapeshifting gives them god-hax powers. All it really takes to take them down would be one well-placed arrow.
An arrow would do the trick ehh? Makes me wonder about guns. :gun1
I know Wildy's novel touched on the idea of guns but I can't remember if guns exist in Furrae or not and/or their effectiveness.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 05, 2008, 12:19:27 AM
It's not really all that broken. Neither species is insanely powerful. Yeah, they have particular quirks that really make them useful...but they also have particular flaws that are exploitable if you know them. People seem to think that the Were's ability to null magic at them when in human form and the Cubi's shapeshifting gives them god-hax powers. All it really takes to take them down would be one well-placed arrow.
Oooh, arrows. I learned about those earlier today. An RP character of mine got one between the eyes.
Some guns exist...but definately not enough to be considered on scale with the weaponry we have. They are sort of a novelty more than a serious weapon...mainly cause there are much more easily convenient magical alternatives. That and the average gun is really only good if you were a being killing another being.
The average demon wouldnt even be phased by a bullet normally...and guns/bullets seem to have a mediocre reaction to having enchancments put upon them so they cant really be modified enough to really make an impact on the more magical creatures. Not to mention the blam noise (there arent really any silencers yet) causes most creatures to automatically shield-up so you cant really get a good drop on them even if they could.
As such, guns are mainly just novelty devices and not really considered the serious arsenal like they would be considered here. Granted, if the weapons that exist here were available in the Furrae worldframe..it would possibly be a different story. But I figure thats a given.
Not including certain... 'farming' implements, right Amber?
I'm guessing the keyword here is average though... at least I'd hope... I mean, anything Jy made would probably be good..
Not to mention though, I wonder... is it possible to enchant arrows effectively? If so, what's so hard about enchanting a lump of iron effectively?
This is going under the assumption that DMFA guns are at the level the first chinese guns were.
Yeah yeah, I'm bringing logic into the arguement... so sue me..
Just saying though... on the otherhand, you did say AVERAGE, so I imagine that means there are a few who got it right, they just may or may not pop in the comic.
Oh it isnt the bullets that are causing the problem, its the weapon that fires it. For some reason, complex weaponry has a wierd effect when it comes to magic. Trying to put an echanted bullet in a gun will more than likely just cause the gun itself to lock up and be unusable. On the other hand, enchanting a solid piece of metal or a bit of wood with string is snarking easy.
Jyrras would likely be able to explain this occurance better since he actually has research on the topic. At a casual glance though, it could be said that magic and science have a strange effect on eachother and that there is a certain balance. Where as when the balance is off, things just dont work very well in some aspects while it works fabulous in others.
A good example would be Matilda mentioning Jycorps items having little magical residue on them and how they are great for imprinting a magical signature on for pocket-dimension houses. They work great due to little magical residue already on them to mess up the magic. But using magic on them to "improve" the functions they do already...tends to just make em asplode.
Though the oldest guns ARE basically just a metal tube with a fuse sticking out of it... guessing its the powder that does it?
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, I just like satiating my hyperactive curiousity
Dont worry.
Once I get sick of people asking questions, I simply just stop responding for a couple months. :U
Hm... Why has no one thought up the obvious solution: A 'magic' powered 'gun' - Basically a metal tube with a hunk of something heavy in it and a cap at one end - Pour magic energy into it, and when you release the energy, the hunk of something heavy goes shooting out the open end, at a speed proportional to the amount of magic invested in it. Probably more or less quiet when properly designed, and would make for easy aiming.
Of course, the next step would be to take hunks of heavy stuff and enchant it with as much magic as possible in an unstable enchantment - When the device is 'fired', the magic enchantment on the 'gun' breaks the enchantment on the 'bullet', and directs it into accelerating the 'bullet' away from the cap at the back of the 'gun'.
In other words, a simple gun that uses magic instead of gun powder.
-RobbieThe1st
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 05, 2008, 04:08:51 AM
...But using magic on them to "improve" the functions they do already...tends to just make em asplode.
Or have other unfortunate effects, such as panel #4 here? (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_615.php)
First thing that brought to mind.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 05, 2008, 02:17:28 AM
Not to mention the blam noise (there arent really any silencers yet) causes most creatures to automatically shield-up so you cant really get a good drop on them even if they could.
Actually the blam is the shockwave from the bullets breaking the sound barrier :B
With a thought-reader or some other magical way of detecting they're going to be shot at they'll be laughing, but I don't think sound is going to be it...
**EDIT**
In any case, if you miss, or if you have more than one target, you won't get a second shot in.
Outside of Cubi, there arent a whole lot of creatures that have a high tendency of thought-reading. And like I said once before...Cubi are far from a common race. Even despite that, an adventurer with less than one month of training knows enough how to make themselves undetectable via magical and thought-reading means. Its not a very difficult thing to do.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 05, 2008, 09:34:29 AM
Outside of Cubi, there arent a whole lot of creatures that have a high tendency of thought-reading.
I was thinking it could be done as a learned spell. Though if it's as easy as you say to completely conceal your mind, there's probably not a lot of point in learning >:3
QuoteNot to mention the blam noise (there arent really any silencers yet)
I even question how effectively silent a silencer would be, considering a lot of people on furrae have enough hearing capacity to hear a silenced gun from a considerable distance. Try making a silencer that a canid doesn't hear...
Of course, that brings to mind the fact that guns are LOUD! even to human ears, especially larger variants from a fairly close distance.(My dad has a revolver that I feel in my chest when he shoots it, even if I'm 30 feet behind him) To the heightened hearing ability of your average Being/Creature, it's going to be even worse.
Though nothing you couldn't do with a properly-aimed Thunderclap spell, which would have less collateral damage, as well.
I like this justification for the romantic fantasy elements of DMFA, especially since Jyrras's lab indicates a potential that their technology level is actually beyond that of Earth.
While I can think up several ways to make a magic-powered gun(my favorite? Mass Accellerator using temporary gravity wells.), what's the point, really? Conservation of energy suggests that pitching a rock with someone using a gravity/telekenesis spell won't be nearly as effective as simply setting off a gravity well in the middle of their chest. Blunt damage vs. "Your head in-splode."
Incidentally, something I'm really really REALLY curious about now thanks to dragons seemingly being able to breed with anything so far...
How do dragon half-breeds work? Are they like cubi in that the traits appear later? Does it create a standard fantasy 'half-dragon', or a full dragon? Or do you just get a regular being/whatever hybrid?
Quote from: Volfram on April 05, 2008, 02:28:42 PM
While I can think up several ways to make a magic-powered gun(my favorite? Mass Accellerator using temporary gravity wells.), what's the point, really? Conservation of energy suggests that pitching a rock with someone using a gravity/telekenesis spell won't be nearly as effective as simply setting off a gravity well in the middle of their chest. Blunt damage vs. "Your head in-splode."
Range.
Depending on how you generate the gravity well, you may be limited in how far from the "gun" you can create the well. If so, limiting it to ~6ft or so means you can set up a hell of a fast shot, which means wind and curvature of the fire are negligible, making it easier to hit something - point and click interface.
On the other hand, generating a gravity well is indeed a nice, clean, neat method of making a hole in someone.
On the gripping hand, thermodynamics suggests that generating a large enough well to fire a 18g slug at mach 10 or so is much easier than generating enough of a field to crush someone's chest into mush. Maybe.
It's all a bit hand-wavey, though. And who doesn't like a nice Rube Goldberg machine, anyway?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 05, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
It's all a bit hand-wavey, though. And who doesn't like a nice Rube Goldberg machine, anyway?
Heath Robinson?
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 05, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 05, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
It's all a bit hand-wavey, though. And who doesn't like a nice Rube Goldberg machine, anyway?
Heath Robinson?
Same diff. The yanks all call it after theirs, the Tommies after their own. I'd guess this labels you a Tommy, and me a hybrid who can speak either way. ;-]
I really thank you for clearing that up Amber. :hug
My own little idea for a gun would be a single action revolver that includes a magical dampening field either built into the gun or an item in close proximity, assuming you can actually make a field portable much less enchant it to the gun without jamming it.
The reason for the field would be for the rounds the gun fires, these would be enchanted for better effectiveness on creatures of any type.
There are two rounds, one explosive, one compressive, i.e. a vortex. Alternate firing of the rounds would help get around the defenses of different creatures. Unless they could heal very quickly alternating those forces would liquefy the insides of the enemy.
This gun is overly complicated compared with the rail gun like ideas already mentioned. It also has weaknesses such as needing to aim for the same location multiple times and the whole getting the drop on one enemy at a time.
I only still like the idea cause well, its mine, and I like making complicated things. :)
As for a semi-auto vs. revolver for problems with magic, its kinda a tossup. We would just have to ask Jyrras since he's done the research on the interactions of magic and technology.
As for the gun, why not simply have some sort of magic nullifying effect on the gun itself? You don't need the enchantment on the bullets when you fire, just when it hits the other guy.
I should also make mention of this:
I am not a gun expert...nor a weapon-freak in general. I dont dig gun-talk and honestly...that last post Gamma made is like moonspeak to me. And I can't find myself caring enough to delve on the subject anymore.
It shouldnt be a suprise that besides story-reasons...a factor of why there is little weapon technology is I simply dont like drawing it and I dont have the energy/devotion to research it enough to be accurate. And I dislike writing stuff that gives the opening for people to easily pick apart due to them having more knowledge on the subject than myself.
Bweeeheehee.
And, of course, she's the author. If she don't want to draw it, it ain't there.
Which means theorise all you like, punks, there ain't gonna be no guns in the story. End of subject. ;-]
(of course, I'm not gonna let that stop me theorising ;-] )
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 05, 2008, 05:47:19 PM
Bweeeheehee. And, of course, she's the author. If she don't want to draw it, it ain't there.
Indeed: "There aren't any guns because I don't like them" would have been a perfectly valid excuse :3
QuoteWhich means theorise all you like, punks, there ain't gonna be no guns in the story. End of subject. ;-]
Oh, but there
are... we've got this horrible situation looming where the Council finds out that Jyrras has been making them (I'm assuming that Albanion is keeping that to himself... for now).
Quote from: Gamma on April 05, 2008, 04:25:56 PM
Magical phase cannon
That seems overly complicated. When you get down to it, a gun is a very simple machine: a blast chamber with a movable cap which is sent down a straight shaft for guidance when the blast goes off, and a couple of levers, usually spring-loaded, to set off the blast in a controlled way. Most complexities are in how exactly the detonation works, and the question of feeding a new round into the chamber and ejecting the old one.
And that's apparently enough to conflict with a spell.
So you're adding a dampening field to the structure, itself a kind of magic, in attempt to protect the mechanics from magical interference making things go BLOOEY. This seems to me like it would either gunk up the mechanisms itself, or be quite complex to tune to a point where it won't gunk anything up. Now yes, this is a permanent fixture, so you can spend some time on it, and pay some extra cash to have a skilled magic-user do the enchantment(I've got Iron Kingdoms Gunmages running around in my head here), but you end up with one very expensive weapon that way, plus ammunition which has to be enchanted, as well. Depending on the price, it might be cheaper just to cash in on a couple of Shield spells and an uber-enchanted sword or bow.
And this is still a precision instrument with lots of power going on in it. Adding complexity upon complexity like that is also adding failure points, and as you add more failure points, the probability of failure increases exponentially, until you're pretty much taking your life in your own hands just by handling the thing.
I thought the idea of grenades was "pull the pin and
throw," not "pull pin and hold in hand."
Go ahead and use it. I'd just prefer if you'd keep a reasonable distance while doing so.
when Europeans first settled on America they found that their 'superior' guns may have been more damaging then an arrow and often had greater range, but native arrows could be fired at like five times the rate, were readily available, and the users had great skill with them.
arguing technology in the furrae universe is kind of the same- you may introduce guns, but the fact that theres plenty of people who do just fine with swords and bows means they aren't going to catch on unless they have some very special advantage- which in a world with magic they just don't have.
and, of course, jyjy is the exception to all the rules. he may be capable of creating super advanced items, but the bulk of the world is still run by local blacksmiths and small henry ford style factories that probably use trolls instead of cranes or whatever. Jyjy may be able to make some kind of sniper rifle that can send a five pound depleted uranium slug two miles to cleanly remove the head of an offending demon with stealth and safety- but virtually every other gun in existence is probably more akin to the aincent chinese guns that look like a dog or a dragon and because people get the job of making them not by experience but by writing the best poetry about iron (im serious, in china for the longest time your exam to get government jobs was to write poetry, thus leading to many things which were made a lot crappier then they appear) well, those kind of guns tended to explode about one in five firings in a humorous banana peel way.
in a way it makes you wonder why Jyrras hasn't taken over the world yet, what with being the only (to hte best of our knowledge) dude that has giant mecha and the tech prowess to give people super powers if he darn well wanted to.
then again, you could bypass nonmagical guns by using quasi magical explosives- instead of gunpowder use freaky shit like pheonix feathers, dragon spunk, bat guano, and three hairs off of a heros butt collected at 1:43 in the morning and soaked in fey tears. however i would not want to be anywhere within three miles of the first moron to actually try to ignite that, however collecting the hairs might be fun.
*Charles thinks Caster Guns from Outlaw Star would work!* They fire spells! That would be awesome! And I'll bet Jyrras would be the one to invent them! Or... has he already in that secret lab of his! :U
*Charline suspects hse understands why technology and magic do not mesh... yes yes...* I seem, it's all so simple! I can rule the multiverse with this knowledge! :mwaha
Quote from: Alondro on April 05, 2008, 08:23:57 PM
*Charles thinks Caster Guns from Outlaw Star would work!* They fire spells! That would be awesome! And I'll bet Jyrras would be the one to invent them! Or... has he already in that secret lab of his! :U
Hells, yeah, Caster guns!!! A number 13 shell would be enough to take down anyone but fae - it almost took down Hazanko, after all! :B
I wonder if Jyrras would also build something like XGP15A-II?... Daniel would make an awesome star captain! :3
I think that there there are actually 26 types of cast shells i believe and the most dangerous ones are the 9, the 13, and the 4. i forget as it has been years since I've seen the series and cartoon net work never shows the swimsuit planet one which explains the caster shells where are actually some form of Tao spell as opposed to programed matter like i thought they were. but those caster shells i mentioned before? then need more then magic they acutely drain off part of your life as the price of their power.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 05, 2008, 05:33:01 PM
I should also make mention of this:
I am not a gun expert...nor a weapon-freak in general. I dont dig gun-talk and honestly...that last post Gamma made is like moonspeak to me. And I can't find myself caring enough to delve on the subject anymore.
It shouldnt be a suprise that besides story-reasons...a factor of why there is little weapon technology is I simply dont like drawing it and I dont have the energy/devotion to research it enough to be accurate. And I dislike writing stuff that gives the opening for people to easily pick apart due to them having more knowledge on the subject than myself.
Though I still can't help but imagine Jy pulling out a large sword launching gun shouting "YIFF THIS!!!"
Quote from: Kuari on April 06, 2008, 02:35:06 AM
Though I still can't help but imagine Jy pulling out a large sword launching gun shouting "YIFF THIS!!!"
What about a rocket-propelled chainsaw launcher? >:3
Quote from: e_voyager on April 06, 2008, 01:58:35 AM
I think that there there are actually 26 types of cast shells i believe and the most dangerous ones are the 9, the 13, and the 4.
actually those were just the most rare.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on April 06, 2008, 06:08:59 AM
What about a rocket-propelled chainsaw launcher? >:3
I remember hearing discussions about an anti-satellite missile that would have blades pop out just before it reached the target. At high speed, the blades would go through things just like chain saws and would be more efficient for the weight. Sort of like the old chain shot for cannons.
What about magically enchanted armor plating? I remember Amber talking about armor here (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum2656.htm#ref48). I am guessing that armor can be enchanted because it doesn't have any precision moving parts like a gun to mess up. So, what I am wondering is if Jyrras could have magically enchanted armor plating on things like his Gryph-mech, without messing up the function of the mech.
Quote from: Naldru on April 06, 2008, 09:04:27 AM
I remember hearing discussions about an anti-satellite missile that would have blades pop out just before it reached the target. At high speed, the blades would go through things just like chain saws and would be more efficient for the weight. Sort of like the old chain shot for cannons.
Yeah, I've heard about this things. I read an article in some science magazine and I saw a picture of a missile releasing some sort of spikes in all directions, which made it look like a wheel of a bicycle if you looked at it from the front. Since there is no air in space those spikes did not affect the trajectory of the missile and made it much easier to hit the target. At the speed with which the missile would be moving these spikes would really cut through the satellite like it was made of cardboard.
Quote from: Brunhidden on April 06, 2008, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: e_voyager on April 06, 2008, 01:58:35 AM
I think that there there are actually 26 types of cast shells i believe and the most dangerous ones are the 9, the 13, and the 4.
actually those were just the most rare.
They were both the most rare and the most powerful. After all, Gene wanted to get those shells for a reason.
as i said it's been years since i've see the shows and i remember Jean sawing when he fired one on the lay-line that those things really do drain you life. apparently shooting three of them would kill a normal person but he being a tough guy fired four and went to some limbo with the people he was with when the magic of the caster interacted wit the magic of the enemy he was fighting.
Or to solve the problem:
A gun would involve 4 parts:
Firing equipment
Projectile equipment
Firing mechanism
Transport issues.
Step one: make the firing equipment as simple as possible. The more complex it is, the higher the chance of interruption. Alternatively, make it inherently magical, and forgoing the mechanical parts which would cause inteference. (example: enchanged bow, magical bowstring: Only magical aspects used, and vastly simple in structure.
Step 2: Projectiles have to be carefully handled in order to prevent inteference. In this sense, metals are more likely to cause inteference, though not impossible to wield. However, enchanting them with such which would work efficiently would be much harder. E.g. enchanting an exploding arrow would be inherently hard. Enchanting an arrow with penetrative/sharpness spells might be easier. Alternatively, tou can have magically created/summoned projectiles, in this sense it's no longer about magical properties, but of firing efficiency.
Step 3: Giving forward momentum in such a manner which would a) not be too obvious and/or interruptable, efficient, and without complexity. Bowstrings would be simple, so would gust spells, though getting the required velocity would be tricky (unless you wanted a slow projectile for whichever reason). Explosions would likely intefere with any magical balance. Magnetic propulsion would be simpler to manage, since that can be generated by a complex kinetic spell, and is more controllable.
Step 4: Depending on the projectile and environment, having the projectile travelling normally may not be the best option (including the sonic boom aspect). I'd imagine having a graceful/air penetrative spell (which would indirectly remove the sonic boom due to loss of air friction) (would be somewhat related to to the sharpness spell) would work nicely for any ammunition in this regard.
All in all, I think the most likely gun-like weaponary would be a cross-bow, though I'd imagine laser/tentacle/taser guns may be easier to enchant and be more effective, since they do not rely on kinetic energy-based damage. (a laser gun in this respect would be more akin to an elemental gun, where it's creating a beam of magic-based energy, as opposed to just light, though in a sense it's similar in they they're still just a focusing device, the light/magic has to come from somewhere first) (Tentacle guns would be similar to the above, excet that it works more like a whip, once the energy connects, it increases in strength. Think Raiden (shmup) electric guns.) (tasers would be similar to tentacle guns, except with a physical component in between)
Part of the strip today, hit close to home. "I guess it isn't paranoia when they really did get completely wiped out by another race." I am of Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) ancestry, so I am a bit sensitive towards the subject.
Quote from: msfrost on April 07, 2008, 06:38:10 PM
Part of the strip today, hit close to home. "I guess it isn't paranoia when they really did get completely wiped out by another race." I am of Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) ancestry, so I am a bit sensitive towards the subject.
A lot of people, I'm sure, are apart of a group of people that almost got wiped out at one point or another in the past.
Welcum 2 earf.
Quote from: Zina on April 07, 2008, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: msfrost on April 07, 2008, 06:38:10 PM
Part of the strip today, hit close to home. "I guess it isn't paranoia when they really did get completely wiped out by another race." I am of Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) ancestry, so I am a bit sensitive towards the subject.
A lot of people, I'm sure, are apart of a group of people that almost got wiped out at one point or another in the past.
Welcum 2 earf.
lol
Quote from: Brunhidden on April 06, 2008, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: e_voyager on April 06, 2008, 01:58:35 AM
I think that there there are actually 26 types of cast shells i believe and the most dangerous ones are the 9, the 13, and the 4.
actually those were just the most rare.
I have have the entire series on DVD... including the hot springs planet. With much nekkidness. Aisha Clan-Clan boo-behs! >:3
It was the funniest episode of the series. :giggle
lucky you. so am i right? i really don't know/ remember if i'm right.
Quote from: Zina on April 07, 2008, 08:48:57 PM
Quote from: msfrost on April 07, 2008, 06:38:10 PM
Part of the strip today, hit close to home. "I guess it isn't paranoia when they really did get completely wiped out by another race." I am of Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) ancestry, so I am a bit sensitive towards the subject.
A lot of people, I'm sure, are apart of a group of people that almost got wiped out at one point or another in the past.
Welcum 2 earf.
im a Visigoth, after the fall of Rome we were mostly wiped out by the Byzantines and the ottomans.
the Slavs were almost wiped out by the Norsemen, who sold then as slaves to all of Europe, hence where the word 'slave' comes from, and are now one of the predominant ethnic European groups
the bohemians (gypsies) were wiped out by just about everyone, including the Mongols, ottomans, Nazis, and were the target of the 30 years war that wiped out half of Germany
Brittan was nearly conquered by Ivar the Boneless, who sacked all of northern england with the largest army of vikings ever assembled, and only the invention of the motte and bailey castle saved the English language from being replaced by norge. Vikings and castles don't really mix....
the Creeks were pawned by the romans, and only a few small villages and one or two cities were spared, its a wonder they rebuilt their country
gee, i just listed off about half of all Caucasians....
Despite what Jane Fonda said, the Algonquin and the Iroquois were hardly at peace when the white men first arrived. Last of the Mohicans by James Fennimore Cooper may have been a work of fiction, but the idea of animosity between the Indian nations was fairly well documented.
humans fight among themselves. nature is a war of survival. these facts have been said countless times but we forever seem to refute them. we don't life in a world of peace for we deep down fear that peace will bring stagnation and then death. this fear drives use forward in many ways including greed. taking what we can so that when the time to fight comes will have everything we can to throw at our opponent and hope that we win even if that opponent is others like ourselves. but then this could all be nonsense sprouted by a random form member so feel free to ignore it okay?
Quote from: Naldru on April 08, 2008, 10:34:46 PM
Despite what Jane Fonda said, the Algonquin and the Iroquois were hardly at peace when the white men first arrived. Last of the Mohicans by James Fennimore Cooper may have been a work of fiction, but the idea of animosity between the Indian nations was fairly well documented.
True fax. Most tribes were constantly at war with one another and would have bloody battles over territory, food, ponies, etc. Some tribes have a long-standing hatred towards one another to this day. The idea that Indians were peaceful and didn't know the concept of war until the white man came is a fantasy created by new-age hippies.
Going into the science vs. magic thing, it's a common belief that magic has a tendency to foul up technology. Like, if you take a heavily enchanted sword, and put it next to a steam engine, the either engine explodes, or the sword acts funky. I've even played a game where magic screws up watches and stops an inclined plane from working right. O.O;
Then theres the belief that magic is nothing but advanced technology, but that's WAAAAAAAYYYYYYY too technical for me.
Quote from: Zina on April 09, 2008, 01:05:05 AM
True fax. Most tribes were constantly at war with one another and would have bloody battles over territory, food, ponies, etc. Some tribes have a long-standing hatred towards one another to this day. The idea that Indians were peaceful and didn't know the concept of war until the white man came is a fantasy created by new-age hippies.
Ponies? There hadn't been horses in America for quite some time until Europeans brought their horses with them.
Quote from: Seth on April 09, 2008, 02:03:34 AMI've even played a game where magic screws up watches and stops an inclined plane from working right.
An axe is a wedge on a lever?
Quote from: !KCA on April 09, 2008, 02:13:37 AM
Quote from: Zina on April 09, 2008, 01:05:05 AM
True fax. Most tribes were constantly at war with one another and would have bloody battles over territory, food, ponies, etc. Some tribes have a long-standing hatred towards one another to this day. The idea that Indians were peaceful and didn't know the concept of war until the white man came is a fantasy created by new-age hippies.
Ponies? There hadn't been horses in America for quite some time until Europeans brought their horses with them.
Way to miss the point of the message but instead focus on an insignificant detail to nitpick.
Quote from: !KCA on April 09, 2008, 02:13:37 AM
Quote from: Zina on April 09, 2008, 01:05:05 AM
True fax. Most tribes were constantly at war with one another and would have bloody battles over territory, food, ponies, etc. Some tribes have a long-standing hatred towards one another to this day. The idea that Indians were peaceful and didn't know the concept of war until the white man came is a fantasy created by new-age hippies.
Ponies? There hadn't been horses in America for quite some time until Europeans brought their horses with them.
Horses were brought over by Spanish explorers, long before white settlers came to North America. Plains tribes would constantly go on "pony raids" and steal ponies from a rival tribe. These raids typically ended with a casualty or two. It was considered a rite of passage for a lot of young warriors.
The more you know, etc.
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 09, 2008, 02:22:58 AMWay to miss the point of the message but instead focus on an insignificant detail to nitpick.
I didn't miss the point. The other part is perfectly true, though.
Also, since when are Spaniards not European?
Quote from: !KCA on April 09, 2008, 02:49:18 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on April 09, 2008, 02:22:58 AMWay to miss the point of the message but instead focus on an insignificant detail to nitpick.
I didn't miss the point. The other part is perfectly true, though.
Also, since when are Spaniards not European?
I never said they weren't. I do, however, recall saying
white settlers. The ones that usually come to mind when one thinks of the typical cowboys and Indians nonsense. Those are usually what Indians refer to when they say "white man".
:V
just like some of those hippies to call a group of people who went to war as often and merrily as those today would go a yard sale a 'peaceful people'
yeah, they had warpaint long before Europeans came, some tribes were cannibalistic, and several groups of Spaniards were completely wiped out by a nation of mississippi river natives who had the battle prowess to mop the floor with conquistadors, specifically conquistadors that had no problems pawning the Aztec warriors
these are probably the same people who claim that animals don't fight, despite that animals kill and eat each other all the freaking time, and often kill even though they're not hungry.
and then they will probably follow up with some tripe about 'you cant hug your children with nuclear arms' and tell you the benefits of making clothing out of hemp.
I consider Spaniards white??
Quote from: Brunhidden on April 09, 2008, 02:56:26 AM
these are probably the same people who claim that animals don't fight, despite that animals kill and eat each other all the freaking time, and often kill even though they're not hungry.
I see these people on YouTube. A lot. Frequently failing to use anything remotely resembling coherent language.
Back on the original topic, would a being with any demon ancestry be unable to breed with a were? What would happen if you used magic (or superscience) to hybridize a were and a part-demon? (My take on this is that forcing the combination will result in a were who's magic is restricted to dark effects, not necessarily a net gain.)
Quote from: !KCA on April 09, 2008, 04:08:03 AM
I consider Spaniards white??
Oh dear lord, I give up. You don't get it, and I don't want to bother explaining again.
Regardless, my point still stands.
Quote from: !KCA on April 09, 2008, 04:08:03 AM
Back on the original topic, would a being with any demon ancestry be unable to breed with a were? What would happen if you used magic (or superscience) to hybridize a were and a part-demon? (My take on this is that forcing the combination will result in a were who's magic is restricted to dark effects, not necessarily a net gain.)
Find someone willing to capture and subsiquently stand between a now-angry were and demon.
"Hey, I wonder what happens if I pull the pin on this grenade and then hold it in my hand while I pour napalm all over it."
Quote from: Zina on April 09, 2008, 04:10:48 AM
Quote from: !KCA on April 09, 2008, 04:08:03 AM
I consider Spaniards white??
Oh dear lord, I give up. You don't get it, and I don't want to bother explaining again.
Regardless, my point still stands.
i would like to state i find it offensive that when i apply for a job theres freaking twenty diffrent categories for race, and only one of them is for anything even remotely connected to eruope.... and yet theres at least four for what kind of black/african/hatian you could be and at least six for what kind of latino/philipino you could be.
if your going to add all the different kinds of minority, at least have the decency to refrain from treating white folk like they're lepers....
also back on topic- i would almost imagine that someone would TRY for a demonic/were hybryd if in fact they didn't hate each other and the good chance that nobody would be stupid enough to make one as they could never hope to control it