I don't have the attention span to memorize stuff.
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I removed your other post, but I'll leave this one with the date and a warning that next time, you should put effort into putting the dates and more details into the subject. Failure to do so next time will just result in your post being snarfed.
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Oo, look, a number! :-)
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James! Bad squirrel! No thinking naughty things in public where just anyone can stroll up and read your mind!
I beleive the attention span of humans is something like 20 seconds, so a book of law would bore us to death also. I'd probably Upload my paper on clairvoyance and precognition to this website if the grade for my class wasn't still pending.
I wonder how repeating nursery ryhmes and childrens songs would effect cubi
Quote from: thegayhare on March 06, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
I wonder how repeating nursery ryhmes and childrens songs would effect cubi
Dont go there!
For a lot of people, I think comatose would come pretty quickly. At least eight seconds into the mind reading of law.
I'd most likely amuse myself with a song or something...or my regular thoughts. Those are pretty random.
I do believe that that's article I, section 5 of the US Constitution (http://www.law.emory.edu/cms/site/index.php?id=3081#7642) being memorized.
Oh, and folk songs would work well, too.
(to the obvious tune (http://www.oakashthorn.com/Music/mp3/anacreon.mp3) >:3)
To Anacreon in Heav'n,
Where he sat in full glee,
A few Sons of Harmony
Sent a petition
That he their Inspirer
And Patron would be;
When this answer arrived
From the Jolly Old Grecian:
"Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
No longer be mute,
I'll lend you my name
And inspire you to boot,
And besides I'll instruct you,
Like me, to intwine
The Myrtle of Venus
With Bacchus' Vine."
I guess it depends on how in tune your thoughts are.
Thinking a half a semitone flat would be... painful.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 06, 2007, 11:34:22 PM
I believe the attention span of humans is something like 20 seconds, so a book of law would bore us to death also. I'd probably Upload my paper on clairvoyance and precognition to this website if the grade for my class wasn't still pending.
Nope, there are people like Business Contract writers and Scientists and Mathematicians that memorize and read stuff that can cause coma in normal people.
Never underestimate rule 34. I'm sure Legend of the Overfiend may not be so much of a blow after a while, but it's still going to leave you shaken just hear about it.
I'm pretty sure my mind would be a natural repellent to any cubi . . .
Inside my mind: Ooh look, sedimentary rocks! Let's see, it looks like a quartz arenite, and judging by the cross-beds, I'd say it formed in a fluvial environment, with unidirectional current . . .
I've heard that They Might Be Giants is a good band for thinking about if you wish to drive away mindreaders. Multiplication tables might be good too.
edit - is that rock laid down in riverbeds? =) Geology can be mildly interesting since it covers earthquakes and volcanos.
Quote from: The Lurking Dragon on March 07, 2007, 12:19:36 AM
I've heard that They Might Be Giants is a good band for thinking about if you wish to drive away mindreaders. Multiplication tables might be good too.
edit - is that rock laid down in riverbeds? =) Geology can be mildly interesting since it covers earthquakes and volcanos.
Yeah, fluvial refers to rivers. Actually, though, now that I think of it, I think quartz arenite actually would be more likely to form in desert environments or beaches.
Gad these are wonderous.
The "Cubi have Short Attention Spans" factoid hadn't really occurred to me before but FITS SO WELL when you apply it to what we've seen happen with the various cubi....
Dont look at me Mask! D:
Heh. Took me a moment to realize it was James thinking naughty thoughts. x3
I wonder if singing the same horrid, catchy refrain of some random classical song in your head is a good cubi deterrent.... *shifty eyes*
Most likely because they'd end up too busy with the song being in their head.
I wonder what kind of vicious cycle would end up happening if you read the mind of someone trying to read your mind. Not a very good one, most likely.
Come to think of it, I've actually had mind reading experiences. They're kind of funny in retrospect.
Quote from: Zorro on March 07, 2007, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 06, 2007, 11:34:22 PM
I believe the attention span of humans is something like 20 seconds, so a book of law would bore us to death also. I'd probably Upload my paper on clairvoyance and precognition to this website if the grade for my class wasn't still pending.
Nope, there are people like Business Contract writers and Scientists and Mathematicians that memorize and read stuff that can cause coma in normal people.
Suddenly my AP calculus class is seeming less useless. OF course if that doesn't work I'll start thinking in Java Script.
Quote from: Tarkya on March 07, 2007, 12:31:53 AM
Heh. Took me a moment to realize it was James thinking naughty thoughts. x3
I wonder if singing the same horrid, catchy refrain of some random classical song in your head is a good cubi deterrent.... *shifty eyes*
::Cues up "Banana Phone"::
Some people are missing the point.
A) What one person might find offensive, another might find amusing. 4 chan exists for a reason. And you are dealing with a race that has a lot more years under its belt. Regardless, Cubi are different in personality as much as you and I. And odds are a good few of them would find Banana phone/nursery rhymes/whatever entertaining.
What Fa'Lina was indicating was that like normal people, the average Cubi likely doesn't enjoy study lectures and if someone is thinking something really boring, they're more than likely to just ignore.
B) When someone goes out of their way to think annoying/repetative thoughts, that tends to make Cubi only more interested since it basically says "Oh hey. I'm trying to hide my thoughts but I'm an amatuer."
C) Just because a Cubi can hear your thoughts, it doesn't mean they are listening. Most Cubi are adept at ignoring the general hustle/bustle of regular thoughts and can easily block all but the most blatent of thoughts. Unless someone is literrally screaming in their head, a lot of Cubi don't read thoughts when they are in conversation with someone. It's only when someone starts doing something sneaky that it becomes an interest.
That said...I really hope James doesn't kill me for adding him into the Demonology 101 article. I admit I didn't get his permission in advance. :[
You guys ain't heard nothin' til you've heard me rant about Organic Chem. Benzene chemistry, alkenes, alkynes, alkyl halides... eeee <3
Edit: Oooh, I love the orange panda. And I'm sure anyone would consider it an honor to be cameo'd by you =)
I'm glad my boss isn't a cubi. She'd realize just how much I hate my job and how bitter and angry it makes me. I think I let out a mental scream every three minutes. Sometimes I wonder if my co-workers can hear my thoughts. Then I'll be all thinking, "yeah, I'm on to you. I don't care if you do hear me. You suck."
Quote from: Manawolf on March 07, 2007, 12:17:17 AM
Never underestimate rule 34. I'm sure Legend of the Overfiend may not be so much of a blow after a while, but it's still going to leave you shaken just hear about it.
Urotsukidoji is about as traumatising as I am.
Re, the comic: James looks great when he's being all >3
*fade*
things that i specifically would use to repel cubi
1- the memory of a medical report with full visual aides about how blowfly larvae are being used to remove necrotic tissue from wounds by essentially pouring jars of maggots onto open wounds, bandaging over them, and repeating the process twice weekly.
2- my childhood memory of walking in on my extremly hairy, fat, nasty, and quite frankly anatomically impossible father when he was coming out of the shower. only to be used as last resort for risk of suicide
3- the formula that computer numeric controlled machine tools use to regulate speed, feedrates, and non-modial looping, and the few hundred hours of 'footage' of me standing in front of a giant robot that does absolutely nothing but make a noise that makes cats explode. theese robots still have dents from where i banged my head repeatedly for about 3 years
4- nightmares about what a curious family member will make as experimental foodstuffs. for some reason this nearly always involves fish, asparagus, AND BBQ sause.
5-
badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM! MUSHROOM!of course anyone with the ability to could always just medetate, and have a blank mind of only the slightest whispers. if anything else a cubi would get reaaaaly bored of a mental image of a peacefull babeling brook....or you could make them go to the bathroom.
QuoteDo you hear those voices telling me to kill you too? whoo, thank goodness. and here i thought i was going mad
Quote from: Azraelle on March 07, 2007, 01:11:29 AM
I'm glad my boss isn't a cubi. She'd realize just how much I hate my job and how bitter and angry it makes me. I think I let out a mental scream every three minutes. Sometimes I wonder if my co-workers can hear my thoughts. Then I'll be all thinking, "yeah, I'm on to you. I don't care if you do hear me. You suck."
Remember in the workplace everyone can hear you scream, but no one cares.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 01:09:26 AMA) What one person might find offensive, another might find amusing. 4 chan exists for a reason. And you are dealing with a race that has a lot more years under its belt. Regardless, Cubi are different in personality as much as you and I. And odds are a good few of them would find Banana phone/nursery rhymes/whatever entertaining.
I defy you to find someone who enjoys Richard Stallman's rendition of the Free Software Song (http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg). It's both boring *and* out of tune.
It can sometimes be about shock tactics, which is why I'm thinking combat wise. Cubi trying to find what your next move will be when suddenly they come upon a "Flash" of something from Overfiend, or maybe the AH section of Fchan.
Plus, how well would a cubi be able to keep up with someone who thinks rather fast, like a person with ADHD. Those trains will lead you to nowhere.
Holy crap!! Is that my mug in there?! I guess it is!
For those wondering what evil thought I'm thinking, it would probably be,
Heh heh, I just ate a bean burrito and I've got a musical present for you.Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 01:09:26 AM
That said...I really hope James doesn't kill me for adding him into the Demonology 101 article. I admit I didn't get his permission in advance. :[
Bad Amber! Bad!
Nah, It's all good! Great even! I can even ignore the fact his wings aren't showing. Then again even I keep forgetting to add the glove patch myself. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamessweatdrop.gif)
Quote from: Manawolf on March 07, 2007, 01:21:35 AM
Plus, how well would a cubi be able to keep up with someone who thinks rather fast, like a person with ADHD. Those trains will lead you to nowhere.
How would a person with ADHD be able to handle intense combat effectively?
Seriously, just because a Cubi has a thought-reading ability, it isnt the only trick in their circus. If a Cubi is foolish enough to be completly dependant on thought-reading, then odds are they are going to get smacked down. And rightfully so.
this insinuates that cubi are vulnerable to monks.
tranquil mind + kung fu grip seems to be a winning combination.
QuoteAnd then the ninja monkeys arrived, it was horrible.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 07, 2007, 01:21:35 AM
Plus, how well would a cubi be able to keep up with someone who thinks rather fast, like a person with ADHD. Those trains will lead you to nowhere.
How would a person with ADHD be able to handle intense combat effectively?
Busou Renkin, episode... 7? 8? -When he spars in kendo with one of the Twins.
And, whoever that second cubi is... He's pretty hot :mowhappy
Some specialize, and currently the topic is mindreaders.
Mindspies focus on their thought reading abilities to give them the upper hand.
Others use for non-combat situations, such as going undercover, and knowing the answers to questions people may ask to see if you really are who you say you are (to name one possibility).
But I like law books... *cough*
:paranoid
No lawbooks RJ! I dont wanna grow up like Wrightworth momma! :U *squrims*
::Working on Coke Rommer's Mind Assault Combo::
If he's out there, I have to thank Webkilla for the final part of the combo.
Boring stuff is like sifting, looking past the dirt to find the gold nuggets. Sudden flashes of horrific imagery would actually prove more effective, and possibly the cubi may just dismiss it as how men are always thinking about porn.
...what?
When one only has less than a hundred years to reproduce, sex is going to be on the mind.
Mana. Please stop putting your own mindview into my comic world. You have an opinion of how mind/thought reading works that is very different from mine...and as such in terms of DMFA continuity, your points are offbase.
I've tried to be nice about it, but you honestly keep trying to shoehorn your own concept despite me having said multiple times it doesn't quite work that way.
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For example, in reference to your idea of a "Mind Assault Combo":
Most Cubi do not like everyone knowing they are Cubi. The ones in Fa'Linas guide are with their wings out because it lets people easily ID Cubi/nonCubi for demonstration purposes. The average Cubi is not going to be wings a blazing like Aaryanna. So unless you can think 24/7 on your "mind assault" or are so insanely paranoid you flash the thoughts to every stranger you meet, it likely isn't going to be all that effective.
Barring that, as I said, a good deal of Cubi don't necessarily pay attention to reading thoughts to begin with unless they are potentially loud. Most beings and people are not exactly thinking exciting things to begin with and most Cubi don't have an interest in your grocery list or who you are hoping to ask out on a date or whatever. And for all intents, a "mind assault" sounds blaringly loud and annoying so odds are it would be like walking up to someone and randomly shouting obsenities in their faces just because they have the ability to see/hear.
And finally, any Cubi who would be callous enough to constantly be trying to read your mind, they likely are of the sort where disturbing imagry wouldn't affect them. The horrific images would probably only work on a Cubi who would actually find them horrific...aka: the ones who have common decency to begin with.
The biggest problem with the whole mind assault thing is that you are trying to go on the offensive when it isn't even necessary. People need to stop assuming that they and their precious memories/thoughts are so special that Cubi are salivating over the idea of listening to what you have to think. Cause anyone who does have anything valuable in their mental capacities has already taken the initiative to keep their minds shielded.
In an attempt to recover my post before my comp froze...
I am merely voicing what I have noticed about telepathy from other sources, which have shown some overlap. I'm also trying for a poetic spin on the analogies.
Another thing I have recently thought of is how when someone introduces something new, others tend to A: take it as their own, or B: find a way to defeat or destroy it.
This is an internet forum. 90% of ideas that are introduced are questioned to High Hell as people try to explore it from varying angles and factors.
I'm just one of the more blunt individuals in this standard procedure.
I am all game for people cross-referencing or putting the concepts to the grinding stone, but really. Mindspies? WTF? The way you are wording makes it sound like those are supposedly in DMFA canon rather than a concept from another source.
If you are using other sources, please make note of it. Cause while the subject is about mindreading, I am not a mindreader and if people word ambigously, I can't tell if they are talking about something outside continuity or trying to insert their own theory into it.
Note for future reference: since I also can not read YOUR mind, most of the stuff I say will be my own theories.
As for the Mindspy, it's a prestige class from D&D for mind readers who want to extend their power of mind reading in order to gain an upper hand over an opponent.
Congratulations, James :P
One wonders what the effect would be, on an average cubi (be there such a thing) of being in a room containing several people with each having a different banal song stuck in their head.
choice songs including:
Small world
99 bottles of beer
the song that everybody hates
the song that never ends
greasy grimey gopher guts
anything by the numerous recent pop stars, boy abnds, and the like (ok, I am willing to admit that they can't all be bad.)
Of course, it's already been said that a cubi can determine whether or not they tune in to a specific person's thoughts(Nascar camo FTW! (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_565.php)), but it's still an amusing thought so far as I'm concerned.
--edited for typos/clarity--
Quote from: Reese Tora on March 07, 2007, 04:21:29 AM
One wonders what the effect would be, on an average cubi (be there such a thing) of being in a room containing several people with each having a different banal song stuck in their heads.
Mind shield up ASAP, I think.
So I take it there are rarely Cubi lawyers to make it past law school...
...or med school for that matter.
It still depends on the interests of the incubus or succubus in question. One universal chant may not always work no matter how vile, boring or horrific it may be (consider that you can even bring yourself to think about said chant) as people still vary differently in taste.
Just one word of advice, though.
Think fast.Quote from: King Of Hearts on March 07, 2007, 05:15:23 AM
So I take it there are rarely Cubi lawyers to make it past law school...
...or med school for that matter.
*cough*
I knew I was forgetting something.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 03:22:23 AMMana. Please stop putting your own mindview into my comic world. You have an opinion of how mind/thought reading works that is very different from mine...and as such in terms of DMFA continuity, your points are offbase.
Yeah. Just wait until you start talking about mindreading, rather than thoughtreading. Mana's theories will go out the window. In fact, most theories of mindreading that I see don't include both (though it seemed obvious enough to me).
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 03:45:59 AMI am all game for people cross-referencing or putting the concepts to the grinding stone, but really. Mindspies? WTF? The way you are wording makes it sound like those are supposedly in DMFA canon rather than a concept from another source.
Well, to be fair, just about every theory that involves mindreading has mindspies. Ubik, for example.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 01:09:26 AM
...And odds are a good few of them would find Banana phone/nursery rhymes/whatever entertaining.
"Look, guys, I found a radio! Just listen to this bunch of maniacs..." ;-]
Congratulations to James indeed. I guess this calls for an addition to the wiki. :D
I liked the law book strategy. Especially since lawyers seem to have a language of their own, those texts arn't only boring but they don't even make sense most of the time.
I think llearch's book of puns would be more effective than anything, but that's just me.
Quote from: Gabi on March 07, 2007, 05:42:40 AM
Congratulations to James indeed. I guess this calls for an addition to the wiki. :D
Done. I'm wondering whether we should replace his portrait with Amber's version, but that's probably up to him really.
Here's a question what if a Cubi is in a room blocking out every other thought till one screams out about the destruction of the world and has plans on how to do it. In my mind I will have that Cubi will stop that individual or strike up a conversation to find out more and do the right thing by killing the lot of them. As Amber says the Cubi is not interested in regular thoughts until ones is screaming at them and that's when they become curious about it. I know it's kinda strange has any Cubi has read those thoughts and done something good to prevent the destruction of another being? I know there are good Cubi's like Abel and Falina for example are there any evil Cubi's willing to destroy beings without a second thought *just pondering*.
Abel isn't necessarily good, he's just not deliberately malicious.
Fa'Lina, on the other hand, is a law unto herself. She'll do evil to get her way, no problem. Or good. or whatever works.
I see Abel as Lawful Neutral, or possibly Neutral Good, and Fa'Lina as, I'd guess, Chaotic Neutral - it's not yet apparent if she's Neutral Good, since we don't really know how much she has the good of the species in mind, and how much is just her good - after all, if the species dies out, it's not good for her, now, is it?
(ref: http://www.rhjunior.com/GH/00052.html)
*Charles thinks loudly* Can't let the cubi read my thoughts! Must hide the information from them! Must think of French nursery rhymes! There are just four lights! *waits until the all cubi attention is drawn to him... then unloads a slew of 1980's doll commercials, complete with hideous sugary jingles!*
*Charline GAH!!* Ooog... not hungry anymore... his evil training was a little too thorough, me thinks. :erk *blarg*
Lookin' sharp, kid.
Hehe, many congrats to you, James. ^^
Haha, now there's a familiar face. Congrats, James. :mowcookie
Also another nice informational piece on 'Cubi. I don't suppose any of them go into law. :rolleyes
Ink went into med school. I'm sure some perverted sod of a Cubi went into law...
... Come to think of it, I wonder what Fa'Lina did... ;-]
from what i gather, as with everything else, no two cubi are alike, but however, i'm sure that most 'cubi don't like nascar. :P
also, in its raw form, thought-reading is one of those innate things inherent to 'cubi, much like breathing and such, while it's a passive ability, it prolly takes extra talent to fully control it, much like controlling one's breathing..
i'm fairly certain that cubi have far more tricks up their sleeves (or lack thereof) that amber hasn't revealed yet :)
There are a few things that this comic made me think. Especially I have been wondering about just how deep the cubi thought-reading can go. So, if you please, let us step from the world of words and images to something more abstract.
Now, the first thing I have been pondering is that, just how abstract thoughts and ideas can a cubi read from one's mind (assuming that the said cubi is interested in the person's thoughts in the first place). Speaking for myself, for I have no idea how other people think, quite a few of my thoughts are remarkably abstract. Images, feelings, pieces of ideas and concepts, loose words and smells. How much of these would a cubi be able to receive just by means of thought-reading?
And for that matter, is it even possible for another person to make any sense of these thoughts?
Another thing I have been wondering about are mental relations. Say you think about a word "horse". Nothing else, just the word. Can you really do it? I doubt it. Unless you are really concentrating on the word itself and have a strong, well disciplined mind, there should be about a dozen things that pop into your mind at this time. Old memories. Some pictures you saw a few years ago. Mental images of some places. All sorts of things that you assosisate the word with.
The third, and probably the furthest fetched thing I have been pondering about are interpretations and can these be thought-read. While thinking about these, I feel that songs of different kinds are the best mental image to begin with.
Still assuming that a cubi would be interested in my thoughts (why, I don't know, but I guess there are weirdos even in the cubi race), lets say that I am "singing" a song in my head. I belive we can all agree that a cubi can thought-read the song itself. Now, lets assume that the lyrics of the song are more poetic and not absolutely clear about what they are saying. I probably still have some idea of how I am interpreting these lyric, as in, what I THINK they mean. Is this a thought that can be thought-read?
Now, a little more extreme example. Lets say that I am listening to a song in a language that I know, but the cubi doesn't. Now, I can understand the lyrics, but the cubi can't. But can the cubi thought-read my "understandment" of the song?
Just a thought.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/GabrielsThoughts/Cubi02.gif)
I think amber over estimated James (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/GabrielsThoughts/Cubi02.jpg)
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 01:34:01 AM
Quote from: Manawolf on March 07, 2007, 01:21:35 AM
Plus, how well would a cubi be able to keep up with someone who thinks rather fast, like a person with ADHD. Those trains will lead you to nowhere.
How would a person with ADHD be able to handle intense combat effectively?
in all honesty a person with Attention Deficit Disorder is more likely to survive in a combat zone. Provided their mental state isn't affected by Medication and, before Attention Defficit Disorder was a disorder it was originally concidered a sign of genius rather than a sign of autism. It is beleived Edison, Einstien and Alexander Grahm Bell, all sufferd from the disorder. The only reason We're (Americans) dead last in science is because of the generation of medicated, unimaginative, and uninspired youths, have elevated to the level of Adulthood, and they lack creativity to see beyond a textbook.
We're dead last? Oh man, you mean places like Bali are beating us? Nigeria?!
Ohgod, if we don't hurry up they may do something like create the internet, cure diseases, or invent the Segway!
GET THESE KIDS OFF MEDS
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 07, 2007, 01:07:05 PM
I think amber over estimated James (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/GabrielsThoughts/Cubi02.jpg)
Actually now that I think of it, not only would the cubi not likely read my mind anymore, they would be inching away from me or even running. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamestongue.gif)
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
NEVAH! :U
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
Why that reminded me of Yu-Gi-Oh DMX I'm not quite sure.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
NEVAH! :U
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
*insert obvious squirrel joke here*
heh I can't go go through a law book on my head, but I could endlessly go through proggramming codes... that may not be boring to a cubi, but will make him/her go
:wtf
now I begin to wonder if mind-flooding will also be featured in this arc
Technically we've seen mindflooding, in how Abel incapacitated Dan to get a head start back to Lost Lake.
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
NEVAH! :U
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
Im the one of the few odvious ones when it comes to your thoughts....And...I SMELL YAMS...and porno
Quote from: DJ Pirtu on March 07, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
Now, the first thing I have been pondering is that, just how abstract thoughts and ideas can a cubi read from one's mind (assuming that the said cubi is interested in the person's thoughts in the first place). Speaking for myself, for I have no idea how other people think, quite a few of my thoughts are remarkably abstract. Images, feelings, pieces of ideas and concepts, loose words and smells. How much of these would a cubi be able to receive just by means of thought-reading?
And for that matter, is it even possible for another person to make any sense of these thoughts?
On the grounds that we can not yet fully understand how the brain works (or better yet, how the average being in DMFA's brain works) even if we have already recorded every nerve impulse we will ever send to our body or brain in our lifetime, no one can really tell for sure.
The same rule would generally apply since it would still be a thought anyway; whatever you might be thinking currently, the incubi or succubi can pick up.
Interestingly, we are getting a bit close to incubi/succubi dream invasion/manipulation which should be covered in another comic.Quote from: DJ Pirtu on March 07, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
Another thing I have been wondering about are mental relations. Say you think about a word "horse". Nothing else, just the word. Can you really do it? I doubt it. Unless you are really concentrating on the word itself and have a strong, well disciplined mind, there should be about a dozen things that pop into your mind at this time. Old memories. Some pictures you saw a few years ago. Mental images of some places. All sorts of things that you assosisate the word with.
Well yes. Normally, the incubus or succubus would hear all associated thoughts, if they are being thought of.
However, it's the same with words, and it's the same with every other person out there. If something someone said about you catches your attention and you feel that you 'have' to respond to it, you just might. Otherwise, you can just ignore it.
As people, we learn to tune out what we don't need, if we can. A crowd shouting out different things at once will drown out what you're probably trying to hear.Quote from: DJ Pirtu on March 07, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
The third, and probably the furthest fetched thing I have been pondering about are interpretations and can these be thought-read. While thinking about these, I feel that songs of different kinds are the best mental image to begin with.
Still assuming that a cubi would be interested in my thoughts (why, I don't know, but I guess there are weirdos even in the cubi race), lets say that I am "singing" a song in my head. I belive we can all agree that a cubi can thought-read the song itself. Now, lets assume that the lyrics of the song are more poetic and not absolutely clear about what they are saying. I probably still have some idea of how I am interpreting these lyric, as in, what I THINK they mean. Is this a thought that can be thought-read?
Now, a little more extreme example. Lets say that I am listening to a song in a language that I know, but the cubi doesn't. Now, I can understand the lyrics, but the cubi can't. But can the cubi thought-read my "understandment" of the song?
Just a thought.
We have got to stop the 'thought' puns.
But let's look close into what you're saying--QuoteI believe we can all agree that a cubi can thought-read the song itself. Now, lets assume that the lyrics of the song are more poetic and not absolutely clear about what they are saying. I probably still have some idea of how I am interpreting these lyric, as in, what I THINK they mean. Is this a thought that can be thought-read?
The incubus or succubus will hear you sing the song, if you are thinking about that. However, if you are not thinking about your interpretation of the song, the incubus or succubus won't immediately know your interpretation of it.
Remember, you yourself can only think of so many things at once. What you're saying is like trying to sing a song and speak out a speech at the same time. You might be able to do that, but it's unlikely.
Conversely, like any other person, an incubus or succubus can only ever seek to hear so many things at once. Like normal people, they learn to ignore--tune out what they don't need.QuoteNow, a little more extreme example. Lets say that I am listening to a song in a language that I know, but the cubi doesn't. Now, I can understand the lyrics, but the cubi can't. But can the cubi thought-read my "understandment" of the song?
No. Same with above. Unless you're thinking about it in the 'language' that the incubus or succubus can understand, they probably still wouldn't. But then, this is still up for debate.
"Whether or not Chinese thought is different from American thought."
Think about it, though, how many languages are canon in DMFA?Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
NEVAH! :U
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
... >:3
You are giving me ideas.
Quote from: Manawolf on March 07, 2007, 03:28:59 PMTechnically we've seen mindflooding, in how Abel incapacitated Dan to get a head start back to Lost Lake.
it wasn't exactly that what I was thinking about... I was more specifically reffering about a technique I've seen in some stories featuring mind-readers where the person who is having his mind read start thinking up random thoughts so the reader will have no idea what the person is actually thinking
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 07, 2007, 04:12:15 PM
I was more specifically reffering about a technique I've seen in some stories featuring mind-readers where the person who is having his mind read start thinking up random thoughts so the reader will have no idea what the person is actually thinking
I think that's one kind of mind-shield that Beings can use. This was also done in Dr. Who - Invasion of Time.
Then there was Wyndham's "Midwich Cuckoos" / Village of the Damned, where the teacher focuses his mind on the wall to avoid the telepaths picking up on the bomb he's planted to kill them all.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 07, 2007, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 07, 2007, 04:12:15 PM
I was more specifically reffering about a technique I've seen in some stories featuring mind-readers where the person who is having his mind read start thinking up random thoughts so the reader will have no idea what the person is actually thinking
I think that's one kind of mind-shield that Beings can use. This was also done in Dr. Who - Invasion of Time.
Then there was Wyndham's "Midwich Cuckoos" / Village of the Damned, where the teacher focuses his mind on the wall to avoid the telepaths picking up on the bomb he's planted to kill them all.
"I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face. I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face. I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face. I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face.I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face.I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face."
Sorry, just reminded me of the Yu-Yu reference..
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
NEVAH! :U
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
Meep! *dies*
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 02:58:18 PM
*insert obvious squirrel joke here*
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamessidelook.gif)
Quote from: Ink on March 07, 2007, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
... >:3
You are giving me ideas.
Be gentle... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamessweatdrop.gif)
Actually in seriousness, I don't know if there are plans with my character, but I have to request that if a picture is going to be 'R' rated that my character not be a part of it. If there's anything borderline, I plead that people give me details before I approve.
Don't worry James, my days of exploiting you are over. :B
I rather figured you wouldn't do any sort of XXX comic anyways.
Though... I'm not sure I can totally take you seriously with that smiley... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jamessweatdrop.gif)
I'm not really worried though. I don't think you'd be the kind to injure my character's reputation anyways. Again, I'm grateful for the cameo appearance!
Quote from: Ink on March 07, 2007, 04:02:04 PMThink about it, though, how many languages are canon in DMFA?
At least two, off the top of my head. Three if you count chatspeak. Hey, that could actually work...
Reminds me of a Buffy the vampire slayer episode where she can hear everyone's thoughts, most of it is a jumble, like a noisy room, but one voice says clearly "By tomorrow morning you'll all be dead"
I'd Imagine that thought hearing is like normal hearing in the regard that only if you were really listening or some word caught your interest (like the fact you can hear you name easily) would you take any interest, everything else is noise.
Imagine being stuck in a noise party all the time, suddenly filtering/mind shields make sense.
Apologies if if repeated what other people have said.
The problem with a lot of fiction about thought hearing is that is assumes, for plot convenience that most people think in Coherent sentences, plot convenience is often necessary but those who really stand out are the ones who consider the can of worms their chosen subject unleashes.
Amber is obviously one of these people, I just hope she doesn't have the same problem I have, not knowing where/when to say 'its just magic', needing to know how a fictional creation they created works, thinks and feels. I write too much notes and not enough story because I need to know.
And for those of you that are still reading...
Imagination is the most beautiful and terrible thing, at its best it can unite millions of people in feelings of awe, hope and fellowship.It allows us to see beyond our problems.
At its worse it allows us to create methods of death and pain and will abuse any good thing that comes along.
Humans are compromises, no one can have everything and every good thing seems to come at a price. If we can learn to live with an imperfect existence and work together to make it slightly better there will always be hope.
I'm going to stop now.(Sigh) the response will probably be this anyway
:giveadamn
Quote from: Ink on March 07, 2007, 04:02:04 PMThink about it, though, how many languages are canon in DMFA?
Hmm. Actually, what language *do* they speak at Lost Lake? It looks like English, but so does Rigelian.
QuoteAlien: Greetings. I am Kang. Do not be frightened. We mean you no harm.
Marge: You, you speak English.
Alien: I am actually speaking Rigelian. By an astonishing coincidence,
both of our languages are exactly the same.
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 07, 2007, 06:49:20 PMThe problem with a lot of fiction about thought hearing is that is assumes, for plot convenience that most people think in Coherent sentences, plot convenience is often necessary but those who really stand out are the ones who consider the can of worms their chosen subject unleashes.
Well, there's also the James Joyce option:
QuoteHowth. Bailey light. Two, four, six, eight, nine. See. Has to change or
they might think it a house. Wreckers. Grace Darling. People afraid of the
dark. Also glowworms, cyclists: lightingup time. Jewels diamonds flash
better. Women. Light is a kind of reassuring. Not going to hurt you.
Better now of course than long ago. Country roads. Run you through the
small guts for nothing.
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 07:05:40 PM
Hmm. Actually, what language *do* they speak at Lost Lake? It looks like English, but so does Rigelian.
QuoteAlien: Greetings. I am Kang. Do not be frightened. We mean you no harm.
Marge: You, you speak English.
Alien: I am actually speaking Rigelian. By an astonishing coincidence,
both of our languages are exactly the same.
Merlitz was able to talk to the human, remember, so I'm assuming it's English - at least for the purposes of my own story.
Quote from: Zedd on March 07, 2007, 03:57:57 PM
....And...I SMELL YAMS...and porno
I had to. Sorry, James. Truly, I am...
Hangin' round downtown by myself
And I had so much time
To sit and draw about
And then there he was
A sky-blue angel guy
Yeah there he was
Like disco squirrel fry
I smell yams and porno here
Who's that hidin' behind my chair
Who's that casting curious stares
In my direction
Fa'Lina this surely is a dream
Hangin' round downtown with The James
And I had too much caffeine
And I was thinkin' 'bout his frame
And then there he was
Blue feathered freak
Yeah there he was
And then I heard him squeak
I smell yams and porno here
Who's that hidin' behind my chair
Who's that casting fearful stares
In my direction
Fa'Lina this surely is a dream
Fa'Lina this surely is a dream
I smell yams and porno here
Who's that hidin' behind my chair
Who's that casting furious stares
In my direction
Fa'Lina this surely is a dream
Fa'Lina this surely is a dream
Yeah Fa'Lina this must be my dream
Edit: Gareeku pointed out one of the lines was incorrect. Whoops. James is still gonna kill me....
*Stomps on llearch and sends him to a recycling bin to be shredded*
I'll take the yams though...
(Kudos for the creativity though)
Quote from: Netami on March 07, 2007, 02:09:25 PM
We're dead last? Oh man, you mean places like Bali are beating us? Nigeria?!
Ohgod, if we don't hurry up they may do something like create the internet, cure diseases, or invent the Segway!
GET THESE KIDS OFF MEDS
I most certainly would appreciate it, if it weren't for the fact that my grades plummet when I'm off the damn things. The current methods of teaching in america is adapted from what was initially a method for training soldiers, and isn't very conductive to creativity. Thus, I take these charming little pills to make me stop daydreaming about life getting better than this or anything like that. FUN!
My two cents. Sorry about that.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 07, 2007, 04:18:53 PMI think that's one kind of mind-shield that Beings can use. This was also done in Dr. Who - Invasion of Time.
Then there was Wyndham's "Midwich Cuckoos" / Village of the Damned, where the teacher focuses his mind on the wall to avoid the telepaths picking up on the bomb he's planted to kill them all.
dunno, back on #706 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_706.php), Abel was't apparently able to read squat... Regardless, I would like to see this better explained
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 04:23:08 PM"I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face. I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face. I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face. I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face.I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face.I'm gonna throw a right punch, and stop just before his face."
Sorry, just reminded me of the Yu-Yu reference..
exactly what I was thinking of >:3
Quote from: Jack McSlay on March 07, 2007, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 07, 2007, 04:18:53 PMI think that's one kind of mind-shield that Beings can use.
dunno, back on #706 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_706.php), Abel was't apparently able to read squat... Regardless, I would like to see this better explained
Yeah, and that's another kind of mind-shield. They've got at least one mage in their party, so they probably used a similar spell to the one Abel put on Jyrras.
Having people be able to read my mind would be great, it would make communicating a helluva lot easier, since I'm not very articulate when it comes to speech.
Quote from: HaZ×MaT on March 07, 2007, 08:31:51 PM
Having people be able to read my mind would be great, it would make communicating a helluva lot easier, since I'm not very articulate when it comes to speech.
Yeah, but imagine the funny looks you might get because of odd word assosiations.
"So lets play a game."
Thong. :boggle "Dude, what the hell?"
"No! There's this game that you lose when you think about it, and you have to tell people when you lose, and whenever I lost around a friend of mine he'd say 'thong' so that I associated the game with thongs! That's all! I'm not a perv!"
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 07, 2007, 07:27:50 PMQuote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 07:05:40 PMHmm. Actually, what language *do* they speak at Lost Lake? It looks like English, but so does Rigelian.QuoteAlien: Greetings. I am Kang. Do not be frightened. We mean you no harm.
Marge: You, you speak English.
Alien: I am actually speaking Rigelian. By an astonishing coincidence,
both of our languages are exactly the same.
Merlitz was able to talk to the human, remember, so I'm assuming it's English - at least for the purposes of my own story.
This is not
a pipeEnglish.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they're speaking English if we read it as English. Take the opening sentence of The Metamorphosis--``As Gregor Samsa awoke from a night of uneasy dreaming, he found himself transformed in his bed into a gigantic insect.'' Sorry, that's not right. It was, ``Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens...'' (also, `bug,' not `insect')
We know and remember the English versions, but that doesn't mean that that's what the characters are speaking in the story.
Or take the following sentence--it's in Frisian:
``Good butter and good cheese is good English and good Friese.''
Did you understand it? Do you know Frisian? Merlitz and the human could be speaking two languages that simply have enough in common that a few sentences work well enough to communicate.
I am actually asking because I'm having a character in my story (real soon now, I promise) who is a professor of what we would call English. But is it English or Furrae or Lostlakian or...what?
Maybe they both speak the language of plot device?
Though while I am on the subject, there is one great way to avoid a mind reader, made best by this quote from the show Heroes, "Stop thinking in Japanese!"
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 09:17:40 PMMaybe they both speak the language of plot device?
Look, I'm not wondering how they eat and breathe and other science facts. I'm assuming that they speak the same language, and I'm simply wondering what that language is called.
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 09:17:40 PMMaybe they both speak the language of plot device?
Look, I'm not wondering how they eat and breathe and other science facts. I'm assuming that they speak the same language, and I'm simply wondering what that language is called.
Convenience. Easiest language to learn.
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 09:33:02 PM
Convenience. Easiest language to learn.
Here I thought it was Ruby. The blue squirrel has a dirty mind... I knew he was off.
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
Lostlakian
I've never known a language to be based in such a small place before.
Quote from: Ink on March 07, 2007, 04:02:04 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on March 07, 2007, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 07, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
Thanks everyone! And thanks Amber! Just warn me next time you deside to use me, kay? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/jaguarstarrunner/emotes/Jameswink.gif)
NEVAH! :U
Coming Soon: DMFA-XXX, starring James Starunner...
... >:3
You are giving me ideas.
For the love of god, Run James! D:
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 09:17:40 PMMaybe they both speak the language of plot device?
Look, I'm not wondering how they eat and breathe and other science facts. I'm assuming that they speak the same language, and I'm simply wondering what that language is called.
Convenience. Easiest language to learn.
That is the best part of plot device though. You don't even have to learn it! You just sort of already know it some how.
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 09:17:40 PMMaybe they both speak the language of plot device?
Look, I'm not wondering how they eat and breathe and other science facts. I'm assuming that they speak the same language, and I'm simply wondering what that language is called.
Convenience. Easiest language to learn.
That is the best part of plot device though. You don't even have to learn it! You just sort of already know it some how.
Which will be explained in some future, complicated story arc that entails a dangerous conspiracy, Wildy's parents and the true meaning of christmas. In that order.
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:17:29 PM
That is the best part of plot device though. You don't even have to learn it! You just sort of already know it some how.
That seems to be too easy of an answer, it lacks the necessary complexity, literary rigmarole and legendary rhetoric that has been seen here. It needs a fresh, ground-breaking view.
Quote from: Azlan on March 07, 2007, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:17:29 PM
That is the best part of plot device though. You don't even have to learn it! You just sort of already know it some how.
That seems to be too easy of an answer, it lacks the necessary complexity, literary rigmarole and legendary rhetoric that has been seen here. It needs a fresh, ground-breaking view.
Umm.. lessee... in return you have to replace your blood with.... root beer. Yes, root beer. And you must attend a Creature Council meeting and buy them all dinner.
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 10:33:40 PM
And you must attend a Creature Council meeting and buy them all dinner.
Wow... that's a creepy, do you know what some of these creatures eat?
My blood is already CVDP... will that do?
Quote from: Azlan on March 07, 2007, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Kenji on March 07, 2007, 10:33:40 PM
And you must attend a Creature Council meeting and buy them all dinner.
Wow... that's a creepy, do you know what some of these creatures eat?
My blood is already CVDP... will that do?
Yes. Yes it will. In fact, that sets you up at a very high level. However, now many beings and creatures will hunt you down in hopes of drinking your blood.
There must be at least one mind control episode in that arc.
And what is wrong with people just knowing it? I mean, how did you learn how to dream? Isn't it strange how we all take that in stride?
"Hey, are you going to be at the bar tonight?"
"No, I'm going to pass out for a few hours, hallucinate vividly, then forget the whole thing."
It obviously involves an epic struggle to find answers. An epic involving friendship, cherry pie, and the human condition.
Mm... blood, give it to me Azzy!
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on March 07, 2007, 09:52:28 PMQuote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:03:54 PMLostlakian
I've never known a language to be based in such a small place before.
Well, Latin was named for the inhabitants of Latium, an area of about 700 square miles. At its greatest extent, the Roman Empire (official language: Latin) spanned 2.5 million square miles.
I only mean the Lost Lake area. It's certainly plausible that Lost Lake might be part of a larger region named after it.
I think we're overanalyzing this. (And if *I* think we're overanalyzing...) I just wanted confirmation on the name of the language...
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:41:53 PM
There must be at least one mind control episode in that arc.
And what is wrong with people just knowing it? I mean, how did you learn how to dream? Isn't it strange how we all take that in stride?
"Hey, are you going to be at the bar tonight?"
"No, I'm going to pass out for a few hours, hallucinate vividly, then forget the whole thing."
It obviously involves an epic struggle to find answers to. An epic involving friendship, cherry pie, and the human condition.
Naw, I think it should involve reverse engineering the brain.
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:41:53 PM
Mm... blood, give it to me Azzy!
uh huh uh huh... I'm pretty fly for a fox-guy.
James, you lucky squirrel! High five!
ok...now I have a question...would thinking like a Junkion* cause a cubi to go "What the heck?!" when it's nearby?
(*Junkion, referrence to the old G1 Transformers and old Transformers the movie...Junkions derive their speech from television, so they sound like a blend of commercials and tv shows)
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on March 07, 2007, 09:52:28 PMQuote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:03:54 PMLostlakian
I've never known a language to be based in such a small place before.
Well, Latin was named for the inhabitants of Latium, an area of about 700 square miles. At its greatest extent, the Roman Empire (official language: Latin) spanned 2.5 million square miles.
I only mean the Lost Lake area. It's certainly plausible that Lost Lake might be part of a larger region named after it.
I think we're overanalyzing this. (And if *I* think we're overanalyzing...) I just wanted confirmation on the name of the language...
But isn't lost lake just the inn/tavern? That's what it seems to say in the cast page.
I have a question to ask. What if your someone like me and this happens.
standing at a bus stop. Notices someone out of the corner of my eye and I think this.
"...who's that? don't care. Wonder if he can hear my thoughts? Probably not. can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!!? WHERE'S THE BLOODY BUS!!? good grief, I've been here to long where's the cursed bus." and that about where I start thinking of a song that never seems to end.
And that's the process of my thoughts, so much random stuff that my brain doesn't stop.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on March 08, 2007, 12:25:09 AMBut isn't lost lake just the inn/tavern? That's what it seems to say in the cast page.
There's a lake there, too, you know. Some places specify that if the surface area is less than 200 square km, it's not a lake, but a pond. Assuming that the region extends for one mile surrounding the lake (and a circular lake and a circular surrounding region), that makes it a little over 100 square miles. Not a bad geographical feature.
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:41:53 PM
Mm... blood, give it to me Azzy!
Oh I thought you meant me, and I was thinking, "The last time I posted in this thread was waaaay back on the first page," and I doubt anyone remembers it.
Anywho, it doesn't really matter on the language thing. It's like in Star Wars. They don't speak "English," they speak "Basic." The movie just shows them speaking in English so we would understand them. Otherwise, every line of dialog would need subtitles.
Quote from: Azraelle on March 08, 2007, 01:06:54 AM
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 10:41:53 PM
Mm... blood, give it to me Azzy!
Oh I thought you meant me, and I was thinking, "The last time I posted in this thread was waaaay back on the first page," and I doubt anyone remembers it.
Two Azzies that I need blood from? Double the fun!
Quote from: Azraelle on March 08, 2007, 01:06:54 AM
Anywho, it doesn't really matter on the language thing. It's like in Star Wars. They don't speak "English," they speak "Basic." The movie just shows them speaking in English so we would understand them. Otherwise, every line of dialog would need subtitles.
Much like the similar convention in Star Trek,, where everyone speaks "Federation Standard".
Of course the universal translators are so capable that they can translate
any language, even from a species they've never encountered before.
Quote from: superluser on March 08, 2007, 01:03:55 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on March 08, 2007, 12:25:09 AMBut isn't lost lake just the inn/tavern? That's what it seems to say in the cast page.
There's a lake there, too, you know. Some places specify that if the surface area is less than 200 square km, it's not a lake, but a pond. Assuming that the region extends for one mile surrounding the lake (and a circular lake and a circular surrounding region), that makes it a little over 100 square miles. Not a bad geographical feature.
Nobody lives in a lake. At least, not any land dwelling types.
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
I am actually asking because I'm having a character in my story (real soon now, I promise) who is a professor of what we would call English. But is it English or Furrae or Lostlakian or...what?
Is that English literature or English language? Because if it's literature, you could just call them a 'professor of literature' and keep it nice and ambiguous.
Anyway, the choice is up to you, but I'm assuming they're talking English for mine.
Oh... how about Wildy's fake Australian accent in 269-270 when she discovers Jyrras is a Kangaroo rat?
Maybe at lost lake everybody speaks basic, simple or this strip will be like a foreign film damn I hate those films. >:3
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on March 08, 2007, 03:00:23 AM
Nobody lives in a lake. At least, not any land dwelling types.
We were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. :<
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on March 08, 2007, 03:00:23 AMNobody lives in a lake. At least, not any land dwelling types.
Well, nobody lives on mountains, either, but that's the major defining feature of Latium. Chautauqua is named for the lake, but there's a nationwide Chautauqua movement named after it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 08, 2007, 05:02:22 AMIs that English literature or English language? Because if it's literature, you could just call them a 'professor of literature' and keep it nice and ambiguous.
No, it's specifically historical English (or whatever it's called).
Quote from: Kasarn on March 08, 2007, 07:40:59 AMWe were evicted from our 'ole in the ground; we 'ad to go and live in a lake. :<
Right! I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing ``yes sir I can boogie.''
Quote from: superluser on March 08, 2007, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 08, 2007, 05:02:22 AMIs that English literature or English language? Because if it's literature, you could just call them a 'professor of literature' and keep it nice and ambiguous.
No, it's specifically historical English (or whatever it's called).
How about 'Language History' then? Expand their field to include other languages, like the weird one the demon at the beach party was speaking...
Quote from: superluser on March 07, 2007, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: ShadesFox on March 07, 2007, 09:17:40 PMMaybe they both speak the language of plot device?
Look, I'm not wondering how they eat and breathe and other science facts...
Just repeat to yourelf its just a comic, you should really just relax.
Quote from: superluser on March 08, 2007, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 08, 2007, 05:02:22 AMIs that English literature or English language? Because if it's literature, you could just call them a 'professor of literature' and keep it nice and ambiguous.
No, it's specifically historical English (or whatever it's called).
You could call his a professor of etymology. (that being the study of how words evolved)
Though Tapewolf's suggestion is pretty darn good too.
we only assume the human spoke english and not sme obscure language like french, or german.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 08, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
we only assume the human spoke english and not some obscure language like french, or german.
I'd be interested to hear the German or French equivalent of "G'Day mate!" from 269...
**EDIT**
If ever I refer to the language in CJP or Future History, I'll probably call it "the common tongue" or something like that.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 08, 2007, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 08, 2007, 03:10:07 PM
we only assume the human spoke english and not some obscure language like french, or german.
I'd be interested to hear the German or French equivalent of "G'Day mate!" from 269...
**EDIT**
If ever I refer to the language in CJP or Future History, I'll probably call it "the common tongue" or something like that.
The folks at Lost Lake speak Gododian, the language of their God. :mowwink
With regards,
Ted
Random fact semi-related to the subject: English in the Star Wars universe is known as Galactic Basic.
Quote from: Ted Schiller on March 08, 2007, 04:34:01 PM
The folks at Lost Lake speak Gododian, the language of their God. :mowwink
Until his near-death in the DvP arc, (where he becomes a born-again Christian?), Dan always said "Oh my gods". So does that mean they are polylingual? >:3
Quote from: Reese Tora on March 08, 2007, 02:41:41 PMYou could call his a professor of etymology. (that being the study of how words evolved)
Though Tapewolf's suggestion is pretty darn good too.
Etymology is the study of how specific words evolved. What I'm talking about are things like grammar and syntax. And historical events like the Great Vowel Shift or the rise of initialisms (did you know that acronyms by and large didn't exist in the English language until the 19th century?).
Historical linguistics would seem to cover it, but he's not going to know any other languages (except perhaps dead languages). You could call him a Chauvinist, except that he'd hate the concept of being associated with Nicholas Chauvin.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on March 08, 2007, 03:10:07 PMwe only assume the human spoke english and not sme obscure language like french, or german.
How are French and German obscure?
Quote from: Ted Schiller on March 08, 2007, 04:34:01 PMThe folks at Lost Lake speak Gododian, the language of their God. :mowwink
``Nothing to be done.''
Quote from: superluser on March 08, 2007, 07:42:07 PM
Historical linguistics would seem to cover it, but he's not going to know any other languages (except perhaps dead languages).
Is there any reason he doesn't know the Mythos language in #193? IMHO he's not going to make a very good linguist if he only knows one language and has nothing to compare it against. (Although you seem to be implying the reason is a personality flaw.)
Quote from: Manawolf on March 08, 2007, 04:35:33 PM
Random fact semi-related to the subject: English in the Star Wars universe is known as Galactic Basic.
"Galactic Basic, Rekcofrehtum! DO YOU SPEAK IT?!"
Uh oh.