I think this is the first time we've seen DP actually happy.
Though to be honest, I wonder if being killed so many times has left him with a few screws loose. He doesn't seem to understand quite why Dan hates him and Regina...
I think Regina is now kicking her but for betraying Dan, she could have been the favored one in DP's eyes had she made the alliance
He's crazy if he thinks his (arch)nemesis will help him make an alliance whit Cyra. The relationship is a fake so no real backbone to his plan.
*laughs at DP*
Quote from: Garsemor on June 06, 2009, 04:22:59 AM
He's crazy if he thinks his (arch)nemesis will help him make an alliance whit Cyra. The relationship is a fake so no real backbone to his plan.
However, it might stop him from attacking Dan. And it is likely to make him keep Regina in check.
EDIT:
Interesting the way he talks about Cyra. He was contemptuous before, now he seems to think an alliance would be a Good Thing...
In the grand scheme of things, evil masterminds tend to lapse in the more fine details of plans.
Like your nemesis hates you for harming/killing someone close.
Though it makes me wonder... what was Regina trying to say?
and... DP looks so cute when he is happy. Looks like one of those kiddy plushy toys.
I think Metroids are cute so I have weird taste.
I concur with the cutitude! (DPwise AND Metroid wise. The cutest foes since mows! :mowmeep)
I wonder if Dan knows that he's Lorenda's boyfriend? That's not currently clear. Akso, where actually is Lorenda? Isn't Kria going to think it's a bit strange if she's not with him during his convalescence?
Ironically, I had originally thought Destania was trying to subtilely arrange a "union" with soulstealer family/clan, with Regina being the original partner. Though I'd think Aliph wasn't really contemptious from the one-shot panel, more likely suprized, since Destania didn't seem like the type to properly settle down.
And Dan has flirted with Lorenda more than Matilda anyway (even if Matilda got more relationship panels). (On that note, has Dan bothered to call Matilda yet?)
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2009, 05:34:10 AM
Though I'd think Aliph wasn't really contemptious from the one-shot panel, more likely suprized, since Destania didn't seem like the type to properly settle down.
Specifically I was thinking of his use of the phrase "even if he is Cyra's ilk" (986) which is not generally considered complementary.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 05:50:22 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2009, 05:34:10 AM
Though I'd think Aliph wasn't really contemptious from the one-shot panel, more likely suprized, since Destania didn't seem like the type to properly settle down.
Specifically I was thinking of his use of the phrase "even if he is Cyra's ilk" (986) which is not generally considered complementary.
It sounds less complimentary of Dan, but more complementary of Cyra actually. Reading into it, Aliph probably regards the Cyra clan higher than Kria, but lower than Lorenda.
Considering further, it's likely because that Cyra clan is less of status and more of power in general: can't have much status if one of your core innates is to stay hidden.
Well...I am seeing younger, less angry characters now...
I'm oficially insane.
But yes, he's a little optimistic there.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on June 06, 2009, 06:00:27 AM
It sounds less complimentary of Dan, but more complementary of Cyra actually. Reading into it, Aliph probably regards the Cyra clan higher than Kria, but lower than Lorenda.
I've only ever seen 'ilk' used in a derogatory context, but since it's not a particularly widely-used term, that may be an error on my part (insufficient data -> bad conclusion).
If he was being spiteful, my interpretation was that he thought Cyra was more highly-regarded that she/her clan
deserved to be.
Since he now seems to be interested in an alliance, to me that either means that he was somehow jealous, or that I was reading something into the text that wasn't actually there >:3
DP's face in the second panel. I think he's excited there, boy does it make his face look creepy.
*wanders off into a corner and shivers.*
However, Regina is still saying, (and looking) stupid, giving me some anchor to hold onto.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 04:51:08 AM
I wonder if Dan knows that he's Lorenda's boyfriend? That's not currently clear. Akso, where actually is Lorenda? Isn't Kria going to think it's a bit strange if she's not with him during his convalescence?
Actually, I was under the impression that Lorenda said that solely to try and prevent DP and Dan from killing each other. I don't think there's a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship between the two, though it would be funny to see Kria pressuring Lorenda to be more.... active... with Dan, and to see her reaction when she finds out the whole thing was a trick.
Quote from: The1Kobra on June 06, 2009, 07:30:52 AM
Actually, I was under the impression that Lorenda said that solely to try and prevent DP and Dan from killing each other.
Yes, it's just that Kria seems to believe it and I'm not quite sure what she'd do if she finds that her daughter tricked her.
In short, I was enumerating a few weaknesses in the scam as it stands.
Kria appears to live by rules. Even though she isn't sure about reviving Aliph, she promised to do it and will therefore do it. That doesn't mean that he gets any help after he's revived. She can't interrupt the fight between Aliph and Dan because of family ties, but the statement that Dan is Lorenda's boyfriend allows her to step in, whether she believes it or not. Besides, when you live for hundreds of years, there's plenty of time for a relationship to develop. She does see that Lorenda cares about Dan, and that's a good start. Besides boy friend/girl friend relationships don't have to be permanent. It's not like Lorenda said that they were engaged.
Although the relationship between Lorenda and Dan in the Janus Bond spoof was non-canon, my belief is that non-canon events gain significance when reinforced by events in canon.
Lorenda could always argue that she meant "friend who is a boy", of course. Which is the sort of weasel-wording that might well appeal to Kria...
DP is nuts if he thinks that Dan's just gonna set his vendetta aside. All's fair in love and war and all that. Somehow, I doubt that this is the result that Destania wanted: from what little we've seen of him, DP doesn't seem to have anything against dragons since he was willing to hire one as a lackey. Destania probably wanted him totally out of the way.
DP plans while Regina causes anti-climaticness. Knew something like that would happen.
Wonderful image of Aliph there. He might be bad, but he's buff. :) Amber's amazing with the use of colors and shadows etc!
*Insert "surrender to the dark side" star wars reference here*
I just had a completely random and silly thought: what if Aniz is connected to DP in some way, and Destania was just using Dan to try and get at Aniz while she was in hiding? Two birds with one stone and all that, after all: Dan kills DP, and maybe finds Aniz and kills him too? Yeah, I know, stupid thought and probably wrong, but considering she sent Dan out to kill DP for possibly her own motives rather than her son's (though I don't think she foresaw DP being resurrected and Dan nearly getting killed), maybe she would be capable of using her own son like that. In the past, she's certainly willing enough to use the more or less innocent son of her ex-boyfriend to try and kill that same boyfriend, and from Abel's perspective she'd be evil enough to do it. Again, just a random thought. And no one call it a theory, because it's not one.
Also, happy DP is kinda freaky.
DP is flipping off anyone who looks at today's strip. His middle finger is totally up.
Quote from: OminousShadow on June 06, 2009, 10:48:56 AM
DP is flipping off anyone who looks at today's strip. His middle finger is totally up.
*snrk*
"Yeah, you like looking at my shirtless body, don't you? Well, %^$# you!"
That's one way of looking at it...
Quote from: Jairus on June 06, 2009, 10:24:34 AM
what if Aniz is connected to DP in some way, and Destania was just using Dan to try and get at Aniz while she was in hiding? Two birds with one stone and all that, after all: Dan kills DP, and maybe finds Aniz and kills him too?
Two counterarguments:
1. Unless Destania has changed her mind*, she wants Aniz soul-dead and no less. Dan doesn't know how to do that even if he wanted to, which he doesn't (651). That action would be the last step to him becoming everything he set out to fight (392).
2. Destania, while not preventing him from becoming a monster-hunter, specifically instructed him never to fight other 'Cubi.
(*) Which is possible. She may even set aside the vendetta along with the rest of her past life at SAIA (299)
:rolleyes yes....an alliance with the cyra clan. I hadn't realised dan had such close ties with the clan. :erk
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on June 06, 2009, 11:28:57 AM
:rolleyes yes....an alliance with the cyra clan. I hadn't realised dan had such close ties with the clan. :erk
Close ties? His grandmother IS Cyra.
Quote from: Jairus on June 06, 2009, 10:24:34 AM
I just had a completely random and silly thought: what if Aniz is connected to DP in some way, and Destania was just using Dan to try and get at Aniz while she was in hiding? Two birds with one stone and all that, after all: Dan kills DP, and maybe finds Aniz and kills him too? Yeah, I know, stupid thought and probably wrong, but considering she sent Dan out to kill DP for possibly her own motives rather than her son's (though I don't think she foresaw DP being resurrected and Dan nearly getting killed), maybe she would be capable of using her own son like that. In the past, she's certainly willing enough to use the more or less innocent son of her ex-boyfriend to try and kill that same boyfriend, and from Abel's perspective she'd be evil enough to do it. Again, just a random thought. And no one call it a theory, because it's not one.
She's told Dan not to fight Cubi. This would totally go against that instruction.
Quote from: OminousShadow on June 06, 2009, 10:48:56 AM
DP is flipping off anyone who looks at today's strip. His middle finger is totally up.
That's a forefinger.
Oh, and
:smrt
Quote from: Jairus on June 06, 2009, 10:08:08 AM
DP is nuts if he thinks that Dan's just gonna set his vendetta aside. All's fair in love and war and all that. Somehow, I doubt that this is the result that Destania wanted: from what little we've seen of him, DP doesn't seem to have anything against dragons since he was willing to hire one as a lackey. Destania probably wanted him totally out of the way.
Or maybe Dee just wanted Dan to use his cubi abilities in a fight, without really minding against who... So she thought of someone who would be challenging enough, but at the same time, defeatable.
Edit: After rereading the post just above this one, I realize the amount of fail I just achieved
He also forget to calculate Dan's stubbornness if she does pressure him. Oh and not to forget his forgetfullness on certain subjects.
I just realized the most spin shivering thing. Now that DP survived the encounter, Amber can't just kill him off again for a long time since he has received the P.V.C. (permanent villain character) status, so we will have to listen to him piloting, arguing, ranting, etc... for a long time. The taught of having to listen to his speeches just scares me.
*hides under his bead*
Quote from: Garsemor on June 06, 2009, 12:43:22 PM
I just realized the most spine-shivering thing. Now that DP survived the encounter, Amber can't just kill him off again for a long time since he has received the P.V.C. (permanent villain character) status, so we will have to listen to him piloting, arguing, ranting, etc... for a long time. The thought of having to listen to his speeches just scares me.
*hides under his bead*
I'm...not sure if that quite follows. That doesn't mean that I disagree with your conclusion, just that I think the reasoning behind it is a little bit off. Technically, Amber
can just kill him off, since his role up to this point has been "recurring arc villain that exists so hero can prove his adventuring skills." For all we know, DP has been brought back primarily so that Dan has an acceptable target upon which to practice his new battle abilities in order (by plot continuity) to prepare him for greater challenges down the line.
On the other hand, Amber herself (if I may stretch the roleplaying metaphors) has gained at least a few levels of "Webcomic Author" since Dark Pegasus last appeared, and has started to tend more toward deeper characterization and plot continuity. Thus, it
is probable that DP will hang around for a while and that his role won't be as superficial or shallow as it used to be. Mind you, he might still exist for Dan (or others) to prove his skills against, but perhaps Dan's planning and negotiation skills rather than his "shove a sword/wing through it" skills will be needed.
On a lighter note: when Kria finds out that Lorenda tricked her (assuming she wasn't aware of it all along), I think she'll be proud of her little girl. She'll probably also get as much embarrassment mileage out of the story as demonically possible and/or seriously work on some matchmaking. That's not to say "marriage," given how hers worked out, but I can definitely see Kria being enough of a meddler that she'd love setting up dates for her daughter.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on June 06, 2009, 11:28:57 AM
:rolleyes yes....an alliance with the cyra clan. I hadn't realised dan had such close ties with the clan. :erk
oooh, total blonde moment thar. >:3
Realting this to some other discussions, this seems to imply that there is more to the Cyra clan than jsut Cyra, Destania, and Dan. Otherwise, what value would it have to DP? Cyra is (apparently) in hiding, Dee has gone MIA, and Dan is just learning the ropes. Cyra and Dee may be heavy hitters, but there's no value to DP in an alliance with cubi that are laying low.
And anything that causes Regina anguish is a good thing :)
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Quote from: OminousShadow on June 06, 2009, 10:48:56 AM
DP is flipping off anyone who looks at today's strip. His middle finger is totally up.
That's a forefinger.
Actually considering DP only has 3 fingers that is his middle finger. IF it's not, well then he's physically incapable of
Quote from: Netrogo on June 06, 2009, 11:30:32 AM
Close ties? His grandmother IS Cyra.
I was under the impression that she was his like his Great great ... great great Grandmother but people have been calling her Dee's mother so I'm a bit confused
Quote from: Lego3400 on June 06, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
I was under the impression that she was his like his Great great ... great great Grandmother but people have been calling her Dee's mother so I'm a bit confused
In 1003, Dan calls her his grandmother. Not concrete, but I would have expected Dan to say "Great-great-and-so-on Grandmother" or something like that if it was a less direct relationship.
Actually, Cyra said she was his grandmother. Dan didn't say anything about it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on June 06, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
I was under the impression that she was his like his Great great ... great great Grandmother but people have been calling her Dee's mother so I'm a bit confused
In 1003, Dan calls her his grandmother. Not concrete, but I would have expected Dan to say "Great-great-and-so-on Grandmother" or something like that if it was a less direct relationship.
Or it's like the Belgariad with Belgarath. They're all grandchildren, no matter how many generations seperate them. Repeating all the "great's" probably wears, even for an immortal. Eventually there'd be the "Descendant event horizon" at which reciting the correct number of great's to the descendant would take long enough for him/her to die of old age. :p
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on June 06, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
Actually, Cyra said she was his grandmother. Dan didn't say anything about it.
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Oh god, I had to giggle at this one. Poor Regina, she has the worst luck. :)
Someday she's going to get sent to buy some ale or something and show up in Lost Lakes.
Going to Lost Lake for refreshments would be more than bad luck. It would also amount to having a short memory since that was apparently where she tricked Dan, injured Wildy, and killed twelve people. However, Aliph visiting Lost Lake for a meal would be interesting.
Quote from: Naldru on June 06, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
Going to Lost Lake for refreshments would be more than bad luck. It would also amount to having a short memory since that was apparently where she tricked Dan, injured Wildy, and killed twelve people. However, Aliph visiting Lost Lake for a meal would be interesting.
Imagine DP and Regina going to Lost Lake for a meal. It the clash of power between DP and Regina against Dan and his friend's + Wildy's temper could cause an apocalypse or at least an earthquake.
Quote from: Garsemor on June 06, 2009, 03:13:00 PM
Imagine DP and Regina going to Lost Lake for a meal. It the clash of power between DP and Regina against Dan and his friend's + Wildy's temper could cause an apocalypse or at least an earthquake.
I think it would be over very quickly. You'd have two demons against:
Wildy (Being?)
Alexsi (Being with 'Cubi-made magical weapon)
Jyrras (Being with illegal weapons factory)
Dan (incubus adventurer)
Abel (highly-trained incubus)
Mab (Fae)
Pyroduck (Dragon)
...and probably a few other exceptionally dangerous individuals besides.
My vision is Regina and Aliph versus Wildy, Dan, Abel, Pyroduck, Mab, Azlan, and Jyrras (in a giant robot). Then Alexsi would come up and say "If you are going to fight, take it outside".
They would go outside and Aliph would say "She's scary".
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
Alexsi (Being with 'Cubi-made magical weapon)
Okay, I know Alexsi's mallet is magical, but who said a 'Cubi made it?
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on June 06, 2009, 03:23:48 PM
Okay, I know Alexsi's mallet is magical, but who said a 'Cubi made it?
My bad - looks like it was given to her by Quintinga, not Destania.
And same with everything else, The Cubi are the best at making every weapon, baked good, cake and thing in Furrae. As we all know no other race can make magical things.
. . Wait what?
Quote from: Drathorin on June 06, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
And same with everything else, The Cubi are the best at making every weapon, baked good, cake and thing in Furrae. As we all know no other race can make magical things.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but I'll hazard a rough guess that you're referring to my earlier post. If so, my retraction has either gone unheeded or uncomprehended so I'll spell it out nice and clearly:
When I described Alexsi's hammer as "'Cubi-made" it was because I thought Destania - who is a 'Cubi - had given it to her. In actual fact it was (if my interpretation of the Cast page is correct) left to Alexsi by her biological mother, who was an Amazon and not a 'Cubi.
...if you were referring to something else, my apologies - but you probably want to give it more context.
My point is this.
Just because someone, let's say my mother in this case, hands me a iPod for my birthday.
Just because she handed me an iPod, does not mean she made my iPod. Nor necessarily was it made by white people in North America.
Just because cubi give other people gifts, doesn't necesarily they're made with cubi magics or somehow innately cubi.
Quote from: Drathorin on June 06, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
. . Wait what?
I believe the implication is that it's somewhat more magical than your average Being-made weapon, not that it's better than most others...
Quote from: Drathorin on June 06, 2009, 03:48:44 PM
Just because cubi give other people gifts, doesn't necesarily they're made with cubi magics or somehow innately cubi.
Since it was apparently given to her by another Being, it was likely made elsewhere and could be the product of any Creature race or possibly even a Being mage, if it is enchanted and not a spell Alexsi is using.
However, if it
had been given to her by Destania (my original assumption) - it would almost certainly have been of 'Cubi manufacture, or at least enchanted by a 'Cubi. After all, she appears to have been in SAIA for approximately 7000 years.
EDIT:
I take that back about the hammer being known-magical - it's not clear if the effect is a property of the hammer or Alexsi.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on June 06, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
And same with everything else, The Cubi are the best at making every weapon, baked good, cake and thing in Furrae. As we all know no other race can make magical things.
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but I'll hazard a rough guess that you're referring to my earlier post. If so, my retraction has either gone unheeded or uncomprehended so I'll spell it out nice and clearly:
When I described Alexsi's hammer as "'Cubi-made" it was because I thought Destania - who is a 'Cubi - had given it to her. In actual fact it was (if my interpretation of the Cast page is correct) left to Alexsi by her biological mother, who was an Amazon and not a 'Cubi.
...if you were referring to something else, my apologies - but you probably want to give it more context.
Umm, we've seen four Amazons in canon. Skirmish, the archer in Merlitz's old adventuring group, who certainly appears to be a Being. And the three that Dan met on his first adventure. All of whom were Creatures (Dragon, Mythos, Undead). While this is not a large enough sample to draw any conclusions about what proportion of Amazons are Beings vs Creatures, it does establish they can be either.
It
would explain why Alexsi and Dan have such a strong family resemblance, despite being half-siblings, if Quintinga was a Succubus too.
Quote from: inuhanyo on June 06, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Umm, we've seen four Amazons in canon. Skirmish, the archer in Merlitz's old adventuring group, who certainly appears to be a Being. And the three that Dan met on his first adventure. All of whom were Creatures (Dragon, Mythos, Undead).
Point. Though to be honest, I'm not sure why we're discussing Quintinga so ardently in the first place. She's only related to the topic (DP and Regina) by the narrowest of threads...
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 05:21:22 PM
Point. Though to be honest, I'm not sure why we're discussing Quintinga so ardently in the first place. She's only related to the topic (DP and Regina) by the narrowest of threads...
I believe that this is, in fact, a tangent. The topic of "what happens if Aliph and Regina pop up at Lost Lake and Alexsi scares them into taking any fighting outside" (or the discussion of the resources the Lost Lake crew has to call upon) led to a mention of her Hammer, and thus the current discussion of its origins and speculation about Alexsi's mother was sparked by one indignant reaction to the assumption it was of 'Cubi manufacture.
To bring this back around to speculation about possible future encounters between Dan and Dark Pegasus/Regina, here's my guess: If DP and/or Regina showed up at the Inn as
paying customers, Alexsi might forbid any attacks on them while they are technically entitled to professional hospitality. That protection would be forfeit if DP/Regina got unruly, so we might just wind up with a "temporary truce" situation and...a real conversation!?
8) I keep on wondering if the strength of this demon line is based on some recurring female traits, or intelligence...
( By the way, I was just wondering if Dan had ever paid back that $ 10.00 that he owed that nice red dragon who was guarding D.P. 's place once ... )
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on June 06, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 06, 2009, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on June 06, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
I was under the impression that she was his like his Great great ... great great Grandmother but people have been calling her Dee's mother so I'm a bit confused
In 1003, Dan calls her his grandmother. Not concrete, but I would have expected Dan to say "Great-great-and-so-on Grandmother" or something like that if it was a less direct relationship.
Or it's like the Belgariad with Belgarath. They're all grandchildren, no matter how many generations seperate them. Repeating all the "great's" probably wears, even for an immortal. Eventually there'd be the "Descendant event horizon" at which reciting the correct number of great's to the descendant would take long enough for him/her to die of old age. :p
Don't forget Aunt Pol. <3
DUDE. DURNIK IS LIKE THE MALE ALEXSI.
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But really, great strip. I love seeing more of DP and Regina. She's so cute in that snotty brat kind of way. :D
Quote from: bdplague on June 06, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
But really, great strip. I love seeing more of DP and Regina. She's so cute in that snotty brat kind of way. :D
Yes cute like a little button on a rattlesnake. She's only cute if your not next to her, if you are that I am sorry for you.
*starts dinging a grave*
Edit:
That would be for you, if you don't learn to trim your quotes.
-- llearch
Insane, whacked out theory with no basis...
Like Cid, Aliph was killed by Aniz and his identity stolen. Since shape shifting can't hide clan marks, it's been dyed or painted black.