2012

[Prof B Hunnydew]

Oh boy, what have I started again,

Okay the Bible has had parts have been added or mistranslated or left out, but the main message is there.  Yesheu is Messiah, we should keep the "holy days" and this world will end with these events.

How? When?

Well, I am still studying that...  But USA can not be a world power when the Beast comes into his power.  Many believe, the Beast must come from Europe, or UE.  China will be a superpower for the final battle.

PBH

PS My next post I will try and put up a timeline of events (as I see them) from Prophecy and current events.  what is most likely, but I will not put firm dates. 

[Vidar]

Oh boy, what have I started again,

Conjecture about the end of the world according to your religion?

Okay the Bible has had parts have been added or mistranslated or left out, but the main message is there. 

In this case, over seventy gospels, acts, letters and apocalypses. (Yes, apocalypses. As in "more than 1 end of the world.)
Seriously, watch the video in my previous post. It's important.

On a slightly different note, biblical scholars have come to a consensus about the antichrist: it's the roman emperor Nero. He's dead, Jesus isn't here, and we still are.

[Alondro]

Well, I wouldn't say 'biblical scholars' as a lump sum.  That's one particular faction.  There are quite a number of dissenters to that theory.

Consensus doesn't mean anything to a real scientist!  After all, it was consensus that decided the Sun revolved around the Earth long ago.  And it was consensus that no plane could fly faster than the speed of sound.

A real scientist doesn't buy into consensus when there are other valid possibilities also supported by the same facts.  I offer again the fact that with the current CO2-based global warming, Mars and Jupiter's and the rest of the planets' temperatures are increasing at the same time as Earth's.  I'm quite certain our pollution has nothing to do with that, and neither did our pollution trigger the numerous cooling and heating periods of the planet which at one point only a few million years ago left the Arctic ocean a Subtropical Sea though again in the article the researchers side with consensus and decide that the current warming must be human-related, because Al Gore says so.     But, the belief is politically expedient to the socialists and environmentalists, therefore inconvenient facts are ignored. 

[Brunhidden]

Stuff

another vote in favor of my "humans kicked the apocalypse's ass" theory

[Valynth]

Stuff

another vote in favor of my "humans kicked the apocalypse's ass" theory

If by "kicked"  you mean "barely survived" then I suppose so.  When Rome fell, times were bad indeed.

[Vidar]

Stuff

another vote in favor of my "humans kicked the apocalypse's ass" theory

If by "kicked"  you mean "barely survived" then I suppose so.  When Rome fell, times were bad indeed.

But not so bad that humans were on the brink of extiction. No apocalypse ensued so far. We wouldn't be here if it did.

Well, I wouldn't say 'biblical scholars' as a lump sum.  That's one particular faction.  There are quite a number of dissenters to that theory.

Consensus doesn't mean anything to a real scientist!  After all, it was consensus that decided the Sun revolved around the Earth long ago.  And it was consensus that no plane could fly faster than the speed of sound.

A real scientist doesn't buy into consensus when there are other valid possibilities also supported by the same facts. 

Ah, yes. It seems that I made an argument from authority. Your objections regarding my statement about Nero being the antichrist are correct.

I offer again the fact that with the current CO2-based global warming, Mars and Jupiter's and the rest of the planets' temperatures are increasing at the same time as Earth's.  I'm quite certain our pollution has nothing to do with that, and neither did our pollution trigger the numerous cooling and heating periods of the planet which at one point only a few million years ago left the Arctic ocean a Subtropical Sea though again in the article the researchers side with consensus and decide that the current warming must be human-related, because Al Gore says so.     But, the belief is politically expedient to the socialists and environmentalists, therefore inconvenient facts are ignored. 

Global warming is an entirely different discussion. You might want to open up a different thread about this subject, as it is quite important that this is adressed by mankind because it will cause a lot of problems in the future.

For an exhaustive viewpoint on this subject go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCYW4ScUnw
It's long, but reccomended viewing for everyone interested, or opposed to the subject.

[Prof B Hunnydew]

let us all pray that this guy never leaves us....or  the universe will have unleash its wraith against us..

my new church

Serious, I am trying to find the next most likely event, and there is no consensus about wether another six-day war is on the horizon or not...  Iran may have a nuke, or they will try to overload the anti-SUD system of Israel with their missiles, while the world is turned to the Georgia/Russia conflict.  Syria and Iran were puppets of the old Soviets. 

If we push the Russia about Georgia, the Ukraine, and missile shield in Poland.  What will the Russians do to push us?  Cut the supple of oil and gas to Europe?  Invade Romania, Balkins and/or Turkey?  Back the Arabs when they invade Israel behind the scene?  And then the Russians come in as peacekeepers? 

PBH

I did find one thing... They all predict that the Arctic sea will be ice-free by the summer 2012...well almost.  await that is AL Gore.... the next VP

Wading through all wild theories and nonsense, to find a true prophecy.

[Valynth]

another vote in favor of my "humans kicked the apocalypse's ass" theory

If by "kicked"  you mean "barely survived" then I suppose so.  When Rome fell, times were bad indeed.

But not so bad that humans were on the brink of extinction. No apocalypse ensued so far. We wouldn't be here if it did.

It really was less about ALL humanity and more about those who considered themselves Roman (they considered themselves the only "developed" humans on the planet at the time.)  In that sense, the prophecies were right, the Roman people simply ceased to be.  Albeit not in the fantastical way depicted in the bible prophecies.

[Brunhidden]

true, rome did think itself the only 'people' in the world.

in much the same way biblical times thought that if they were flooded the whole dang world was flooded, and ancient china thought that other people came from some other world cause they're the only people in the world as well.


the fall of rome was a complex affair, but the bit that started it all on fire was that one year the Visigoths to the north, my ancestors, who had been longtime rivals, occasional enemies, and infrequent allies had a very bad harvest. so they asked rome to help them not starve. rome agreed, and then a scant few months later reneged the deal, making the goths very pissed off.

thus the goths had tha gall to sack rome, and as ransom demanded their own kingdom. after this rome was considered a pussy and everyone kinda ganged in, after seeing its power had fallen everything fell.


so, the goths were quite happy at the time of the fall of rome. the franks they met to the northwest were also happy as they proceeded to kick everyones butt with a new throwing axe, the chinese had not yet gotten to imperial stage but were prosperous and would have asked 'whats a rome?'. and, oh yeah, the ottomans, whose empire would later replace rome as the big baddie that tries to conquer europe, only to be stopped by the order of the dracul.

this is not to mention the not exactly thriving other peoples, including the many native americans, the oblivious innuit, the norsemen who had not yet exausted their meager farmland which would later cause them to pop their heads down south, many african tribes who had not heard much of egypt in quite a while, and egypt itself was probably the only people who were as bad off as rome.


the romans were quite self centered, and to be franc they were dicks too, kinda glad great great great ecetera grandpa found it fun to pillage and rape the rank ruin that was one mighty rome

[Alondro]

Roma also killed lots of lions and tigers.   

The bastards got what they deserved! 

[Brunhidden]

Roma also killed lots of lions and tigers.   

The bastards got what they deserved! 

only because you were delicious and entertaining

[Alondro]

Roma also killed lots of lions and tigers.   

The bastards got what they deserved! 

only because you were delicious and entertaining

*grrrs*  Ok, you are now on the enemy list!   

[Brunhidden]

its a compliment, don't make me lick your face and fail at trying to be cute at you

[Vidar]

true, rome did think itself the only 'people' in the world.

in much the same way biblical times thought that if they were flooded the whole dang world was flooded, and ancient china thought that other people came from some other world cause they're the only people in the world as well.

That reminds me a bit of the intro of the book "the carpet people". Every tribe has a name that translates to "the true human beings", and whenever another tribe was found they would be called "some other human beings" or, if it was a bad day, "the enemy".

I reccomend the book, since it was written by my favourite author, Terry Pratchett.

[llearch n'n'daCorna]

... He goes on to say, that the world would probably be a much better place if they'd come up with "some more true human beings" instead...

But that's probably another thread entirely. ;-]

[Brunhidden]

theres many cultures that have one word for 'outsider' which is also the word for 'slave'.

ive never come across that particular piece of pratchett, although ive read strata, which is his homage to my other favorite author



really the best way to say it is to call everyone brother, but then you may as well shave your head and bang drums in airports shouting 'hari krishna'

[Mao]

I've always preferred friend, neighbor or bro/brah.

I'm going to have to check out those Pratchett books now.  They sound quite interesting.

[Jairus]

I've always preferred friend, neighbor or bro/brah.

I'm going to have to check out those Pratchett books now.  They sound quite interesting.

And find Good Omens: he wrote it with Neil Gaiman. Really, it pretty much makes fun of every single aspect of the apocalypse. I cant' recommend it enough... actually I can't recommend Pratchet himself enough. Not many people can turn Death into a sympathetic character, but Pratchet pulled it off.

[Brunhidden]

good omens rules, however the bulk of pratchett is the diskworld books

they are not in any real order, but some are a lot better places to start

[Jairus]

good omens rules, however the bulk of pratchett is the diskworld books

they are not in any real order, but some are a lot better places to start

Well, they are more or less in chronological order of when they were published, but really once you've read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic, you can do any order you want. Witches Abroad and Hogfather are also really good to get into the spirit of the Discworld: they're also my two favorites. Guards! Guards! also introduces Vimes and Carrot, and gives you a good idea of what kind of a man Vetinari is... on second thought, you can't fail with any of the Discworld books. But read the first two first, and then have fun: they introduce most of the big concepts and a handful of the major characters that the later books rely on.

But, slightly on topic, considering that Good Omens is basically kickstarted because an Angel and a Demon who are good friends don't want the world to end, it really is a fun read. It also has an angel telling off a televangelist for thinking that God would condemn someone to hell simply for believing something a little different that what that person believes. And a burning car held together by sheer willpower - literally. And the Four Bikers of the Apocalypse. It's a fun read through and through.

[LionHeart]

... Witches Abroad and Hogfather are also really good to get into the spirit of the Discworld: they're also my two favorites.

I personally would suggest reading Soul Music before Hogfather, as it provides a better introduction of Susan and the Death of Rats. And Quoth, the raven.

But, slightly on topic, considering that Good Omens is basically kickstarted because an Angel and a Demon who are good friends don't want the world to end, it really is a fun read. It also has an angel telling off a televangelist for thinking that God would condemn someone to hell simply for believing something a little different that what that person believes. And a burning car held together by sheer willpower - literally. And the Four Bikers of the Apocalypse. It's a fun read through and through.

Agreed. Pestilence retiring and being succeeded by Pollution is a nice touch, as well.

[Vidar]

good omens rules, however the bulk of pratchett is the diskworld books

they are not in any real order, but some are a lot better places to start

Well, they are more or less in chronological order of when they were published, but really once you've read The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic, you can do any order you want. Witches Abroad and Hogfather are also really good to get into the spirit of the Discworld: they're also my two favorites. Guards! Guards! also introduces Vimes and Carrot, and gives you a good idea of what kind of a man Vetinari is... on second thought, you can't fail with any of the Discworld books. But read the first two first, and then have fun: they introduce most of the big concepts and a handful of the major characters that the later books rely on.

But, slightly on topic, considering that Good Omens is basically kickstarted because an Angel and a Demon who are good friends don't want the world to end, it really is a fun read. It also has an angel telling off a televangelist for thinking that God would condemn someone to hell simply for believing something a little different that what that person believes. And a burning car held together by sheer willpower - literally. And the Four Bikers of the Apocalypse. It's a fun read through and through.

HUSH! You might want to put a spoiler warning at the top of your post. I've read the book already (twice, in fact) so I don't care, but others might.
<ZOMG SPOILERS>
There is more to the book than what Jairus just mentioned, such as the four other bikers of the apocalypse, a professional descendant, a witchhunter and his apprentice, and the antichrist, of course.
</ZOMG SPOILERS>

About the reading order of the discworld novels, this graph might be helpful:



A little bit more on topic.
If WW3 ever starts, it will not last long. It won't last a year, or even a month, or even a week. A long afternoon is all that's needed for a full-scale nuclear exchange to reduce our civilisation to rubble.

[Jairus]

HUSH! You might want to put a spoiler warning at the top of your post. I've read the book already (twice, in fact) so I don't care, but others might.
<ZOMG SPOILERS>
There is more to the book than what Jairus just mentioned, such as the four other bikers of the apocalypse, a professional descendant, a witchhunter and his apprentice, and the antichrist, of course.
</ZOMG SPOILERS>

About the reading order of the discworld novels, this graph might be helpful:
*picture removed to save space...  *

Oh, sorry about that. Of course, you revealed MORE than me...

As for that reading list, that is a great find. I'm going to save that. I was actually wondering what book I should buy next, and that should be helpful. Thanks!

A little bit more on topic.
If WW3 ever starts, it will not last long. It won't last a year, or even a month, or even a week. A long afternoon is all that's needed for a full-scale nuclear exchange to reduce our civilisation to rubble.

Yeah, good point. If we could somehow keep nuclear weapons from not being involved... but that's not very likely.

[Brunhidden]

i recall one of einsteins top 10 most quoted statements was

I do not know with what weapons world war three will be fought with, but I do know world war four will be fought with sticks and stones

[gh0st]

sticks and stone's eh?

now i know i have a reason to collect katana's!!

[LionHeart]

This, of course, assumes that there will be anyone left to fight it...

[Brunhidden]

This, of course, assumes that there will be anyone left to fight it...

there is whats called the rule of ten percent- in theory no matter what catastrophe befalls mankind (short of the total destruction of the planet) at least ten percent of the population will survive.

this includes just about any kind of plague, natural disaster, man made disaster, and most strikes by stellar objects.

it does not say what ten percent, it could be that the innuit and the aborigonies are all thats left, who knows.

however one thing is for sure, the infrastructure of people and countries and companies needed to make such wonderfully complex things as machine guns, helicopters, grenades, and the insane level of technology for uranium.... heh, even if the entire ten percent were in the industrial capitals of first world countries, we just wouldn't have the infrastructure to get it all done.